> This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped in "attack" > mode, doesn't it?
That was an honest, legitimate hypothetical question of mine. I addressed it primarily to Will, and secondarily to everybody. I never mean to attack anyone. I wouldn't live with my conscious if I had lived a life like that. If I did unintentionally attack *anyone*, then I owe an apology to Will and the list that I'm offering now. > So my question at this point in the debate would be to ask myself > why someone who lives "in a place where there isn't any library for > hours (or days even)" would be overly bothered about verifying > right that second. I didn't mean to imply that they would be bothered about verifying references right that second. I was starting to read into this debate (and maybe it's just me) that every Wikipedian should be bothered about verifying right that second. I was proven wrong when Will pointed out that that wasn't his point. Emily On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Surreptitiousness wrote: > This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped in "attack" > mode, > doesn't it? I mean, if we take a step back, do we verify everything > we > read ever period? The fact that you just read this email seems to > suggest no, actually we don't. So my question at this point in the > debate would be to ask myself why someone who lives "in a place where > there isn't any library for hours (or days even)" would be overly > bothered about verifying right that second. Yes, sometimes you just > don;t verify citations. Wikipedia is built up through a kind of trust > net, we're relying on other people to have checked the info out. > Personally I've always taken the stance that we should cite any > source, > with as much detail as possible, and let the reader make the judgement > as to reliability, verifiability and so on. Anyone who accepts > anything > at face value needs shooting, you ask me. I'll let Fred translate > again > if need be. David Mitchell made a similar point a while back in The > Observer. > > > > Emily Monroe wrote: >> Will, >> >> If I may ask a question. >> >> What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or >> days even) via whatever transportation I have available? >> >> What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and >> there's no way I can really get books or newsletter to help cite >> wikipedia? >> >> What would I do then? Do I just not verify citations? >> >> Emily >> On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:11 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:40:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>> d...@tobias.name writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>> So if I wanted to cite some rare book which I happened to know of >>>> only one copy in existence, located at the Amundsen-Scott South >>>> Pole >>>> Station in Antarctica, it would be up to you to arrange travel >>>> there >>>> to check it.>> >>>> >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> Items of this level of rarity fail our test that the item is >>> publicly >>> accessible. We never really set where the bar should be, but we all >>> seemed to >>> agree (at the time) that an item should be generally available in >>> some way. >>> It's too onorous to require a random editor to have to verify >>> something >>> against a single copy. >>> >>> By the way, you would think that if something this rare were really >>> worth >>> citing, that it would have already been published in a scholarly >>> edition. >>> Your example is a bit eccentric, I wonder if you have an actual case >>> in mind. >>> >>> Will Johnson >>> >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >>> steps! >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx >>> ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& >>> bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l