On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, wiki <doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> 1)  the qualities one needs to get anything done in Wikipedia are generally,
> tenacity and bullheadedness. Drawing enough attention to the issue and
> breaking through the natural apathy and inertia of the wider community is
> also essential (and that, frankly, often involved strategic drama-stirring
> and a willingness to battle vested-interests).

I think that is a short-sighted view.

You may get something done in the short term, but you end up not
building in infrastructure and culture for the future. Quick fixes to
problems don't scale. You need long-term, sustainable systems that
work. A bullheaded quick fix might look good, but a few years later
you find that the problem has come back and got worse.

I would focus on:

WP:CHRONIC INCIVILITY (as a subset of WP:RFC/U)
WP:LONG-TERM (to pull together long-term issues and see them through)

Carcharoth

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