Hi Ilario,
are you talking about lists in the database, or about lists in
Wikipedias?
In the first case, please disregard my response. I know nothing about
the database. Maarten must know it.
If we are talking about Wikipedias, I was not the creator of the
English lists, but I seem to be the person who produced most edits to
them since the Spring.
Concerning the names, I do not think English Wikipedia will accept
untranslated lists. I guess if I now start replace English names with
German, French, and Italian names, this can be considered as vandalism.
A way out could be to have two columns - for an English name and for an
original name. Actually, as I was going through the lists, I added some
translations (mostly from French, since German and Italian were already
done).
The rest I do not really understand. I went through the documents which
were posted here and compared them with the lists (this was needed in
order to find the monument IDs). I discovered that in many cases a
monument is placed in the documents twice under different IDs, and
several are even places multiple times. In these cases, I added all the
IDs to the lists, they are still there.
If I can do smth to help please let me know. I have all Swiss lists on
English Wikipedia on my watchlist.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:59:46 +0200, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
Dear all,
I am standardizing the list of Switzerland monuments and I have seen
that they are big differences in several languages.
I dont know if there are persons working on the Swiss lists who are
subscribed in this mailing list.
Mainly there are the lists in English, German, French, Italian
(Rumantsch is missed).
It seems to me really hard to manage them also to integrate in the
database and in the tools.
Mainly the most complete list is that in English but in the tools
there are only the German monuments and the management seems to be a
real challenge.
As the contest is country based, I would suggest to use the same
template for the whole Switzerland and in this case the English one
can be promoted because it is very similar to the Italian and to the
German (only with a small modification), but not with the French one,
but the French list is also the lesser complete.
In addition I would suggest to *dont translate* the items but to use
the identification used by the Swiss Inventory of Cultural Property
of
National. In their publication there are no translations.
They use the name in Italian for Swiss Italian monuments, those in
German for Swiss German monuments and in French and in Rumantsch.
This may help to identify the monuments (the local road markings in
Switzerland are not translated) and to avoid ridicoulous translations
(in English I have found "rovine" which means "ruins" as address of a
monument or the address as name of the monument).
Wikipedia doesnt accept original works, the translation of these
monuments is in my opinion an original work. If there is an official
translation we may use it, if there is not, I suggest to keep the
original one.
Take as example the "official" list of Grischun made in three
languages, this list use the official denomination depending on the
local language, so they use Rumantsch Grischun, Italian and German:
http://www.bevoelkerungsschutz.admin.ch/internet/bs/de/home/themen/kgs/kgs_inventar/a-objekte.parsys.00015.DownloadFile.tmp/gr2012.pdf
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Ilario Valdelli
Wikimedia CH
Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
Tel: +41764821371
http://www.wikimedia.ch [2]
Links:
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http://www.bevoelkerungsschutz.admin.ch/internet/bs/de/home/themen/kgs/kgs_inventar/a-objekte.parsys.00015.DownloadFile.tmp/gr2012.pdf
[2] http://www.wikimedia.ch/
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