Почитав я цей діалог і мені стало дуже соромно, що я є членом цього оргкомітету...
2013/11/2 Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> > Our regulation excludes members of the board of Wikimedia Polska, as > well, as their family relatives and employees. Which means for example > that my doughter cannot win the Polish contest :-) Polish civil code > precisely defines the meaning ot the "family relative" - I guess in > other jursdictions similar definition can be found. > > I guess in case of the global jury - as the pictures are pre-selected > by local juries, there is no need for similar regulation. > > > 2013/11/1 Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>: > > Hi Illia, > > > > Thanks for your email. Family members of the jury members are definitely > a > > tricky terrain. If your rules stated that family members of jury members > > cannot take part, I think it is totally valid to disqualify these images. > > > > So first of all: yes, of course national rules can be more elaborate than > > the international rules. This is quite common actually - for example, > > several chapter give out 'Special Awards' or take other national issues > in > > consideration. Conflict of Interest is one of these. > > > > Secondly, what qualifies as a family member, is a cultural question - > this > > is something you should probably consider in the Ukrainian context. I > > personally definitely would consider it a family member, but I'm not very > > Ukrainian. It becomes more tricky with nephews etc. > > > > Thirdly you ask if the organizing committee can overrule the jury - now > this > > is a really tricky one. Again there is some cultural background here > > probably. I'm used to a situation where the jury is considered the > neutral > > body to make final decisions regarding prizes, and nobody would come up > with > > an idea to overrule the jury, unless there are legal reasons or rules > that > > require that. But in another country, it might very well be common to let > > the jury only be responsible for ranking, and then the organizers make > the > > formal decision. This is something that is probably to be determined by > your > > rules. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Best, > > Lodewijk > > > > > > 2013/11/1 Ilya Korniyko <intra...@gmail.com> > >> > >> Hi, Ukrainian organizing committe has trouble with one winner. > >> > >> In 2012 the chapter board set rules for Ukrainian part of the > competition, > >> which contains a point that organizing committe members, jury and their > >> family members (I don't know how to translate precisely, and the correct > >> word matters here) cannot take part in the competition. According to our > >> rules places are determined by jury but organizing committee can > disqualify > >> works. > >> > >> This year we found out only after final jury round that second place is > >> authored by one of jury member's father an his wife. While we have no > direct > >> objections that this choice was unfair or biased, we thougth that it > would > >> be difficult to understand by other people and may harm the contest > >> reputation. We decided not give the prize from the chapter but to > present > >> this photo among 10 best to international competition and say that it > was > >> seconf by jury decision but authors were not given prizes due to > violation > >> of the rules as the organizing committe decided. > >> > >> Now the authors of this photo ask us questions > >> > >> 1) There is no prohibition in the international rules for jury members' > >> family. Does our chapter have a right to add additional criterias? > >> 2) Can a father be qualified as a family member? Is this a good > criteria? > >> 3) Is this ok for organizing committee to override jury decision in this > >> case? > >> > >> Oranizing committe, the winner and jury member in question are in copy. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Illia > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > >> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > > -- > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "wlm-ua" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to wlm-ua+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- -- З повагою, Андрій Бондаренко
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