My few cts, As a user, I don't care about Filename, honnestly it doesn't bring any value to me, it just brings me headache. I don't care how the filesystem of the media are stored, what matters to me is the metadata of my file.
I try to give relevant filename, because the community ask for it, due to having a software that ridiculously do not fit our needs, but that's the only reason why. And I guess some new users are really lost when trying to do their first upload. 2014-09-01 20:45 GMT+02:00 Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se>: > Rather than random, a timestamp down to second level would be better. The > likelyhood for a previous file to be named like that is close to zero and > removes any problem of the need to check if the randomly produced number > has been used before. Also the added information has some value as > metadata, particulary in comparison to a random number. But still, > DSC_XXXXX or IMG_XXXXXX style file names should be prevented. > > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige > <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida> > 0729 - 67 29 48 > > > *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till mänsklighetens > samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* > Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> > > > > 2014-09-01 20:13 GMT+02:00 werespielchequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com> > : > >> I wonder if we could change the upload so it added a random suffix to >> non-unique file names? That way the uploads would still work, and we >> wouldn't lose the meaningful part of file names - sometimes the best bit >> for search results. >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Racso >> Date:01/09/2014 17:54 (GMT+00:00) >> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition >> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has >> notstarted yet... >> >> It's clear that obscure names should be discouraged (for Wikimedia >> Commons standards), but right now we may discourage participation with that >> limitation. There isn't even an option to pick a new filename when an error >> occurs in the UploadWizard; you have to start the upload process all over >> again. Also, there isn't a quick way to check if the filename that is about >> to be used is already occupied or not; you have to save, get the API error, >> and start over again. >> >> Also, please note that the problem isn't limited only to obscure names. >> The "Eiffel TowerX.jpg" (for several values of X, and with no X) name is >> already occupied. The same may happen to popular monuments on each country. >> >> That said, I insist: we should make participation as easy as possible. In >> most photo repositories (everyone except Commons?), you don't even need to >> assign names to uploaded files; they are automatically generated. Yes, they >> end being obscure, random names such as 12309803.jpg, but nobody cares >> about that! We can't change Commons naming policies right now, but we can, >> at least, help participants by reducing name collisions or making the >> error-fixing process as easy as possible. >> >> For now, I'll try to explain in WLM-CO instructions that an >> "api-error-unknownerror" >> means that the photo filename should be changed. >> >> Racso >> >> >> >> 2014-09-01 4:53 GMT-05:00 <akt...@centrum.cz>: >> >>> Yes, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have received some e-mails from various people that they do have this >>> issue in WLM CZ. I do believe however it is a filename issue, as it is >>> highly logical to expect files named IMG_401.JPG to be kinda problem to >>> upload... as pretty much everyone tried to do so in past 10 years. >>> >>> >>> >>> So they were kindly asked to change the filename... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aktron >>> >>> Wikimedia Czech Republic >>> >>> chairman >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Od: KaewWiki <kaeww...@gmail.com> >>> > Komu: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < >>> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Datum: 01.09.2014 11:11 >>> > Předmět: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has >>> notstarted yet... >>> > >>> Hi Rasco, >>> >>> I confirmed that "<api-error-unknownerror>" is a filename problem. >>> >>> We should >>> (1) tell the uploader that it is a filename issue. >>> (2) allow them to go back to the page where the uploader may give a new >>> name -- rather than give an option to retry. >>> >>> Taweetham >>> >>> >>> On 1 September 2014 14:06, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se> wrote: >>> >>>> DSC0001 - 28392 is an obscure file name and should really be >>>> discouraged. File names should be descriptive. If anything, the help text >>>> for that field can be made clearer. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* >>>> >>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige >>>> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida> >>>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>>> >>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-09-01 9:00 GMT+02:00 Racso <ra...@colombia.com>: >>>> >>>> I had that error when doing a test upload. I retried, changing the >>>>> filename, and it worked. >>>>> That made me wonder: Is there a way for making the UploadWizard to >>>>> append a random number to the default filename? I'm pretty sure lots of >>>>> participants will have trouble because of trying to upload images with >>>>> already occupied filenames, specially if the names come from cameras (e.g. >>>>> DSC0001). If a random number is appended to the name (e.g. DSC0001 - >>>>> 28392), we would heavily reduce this problem. >>>>> Racso >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-08-31 22:42 GMT-05:00 KaewWiki <kaeww...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> However, it now has another problem at "Describe" stage: >>>>>> >>>>>> 77px-Örebro_slott_resynth.jpg >>>>>> <api-error-unknownerror> >>>>>> None of the uploads were successful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Retry failed uploads >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone has done a successful test upload? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 September 2014 10:09, KaewWiki <kaeww...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > It is now fixed. Thank you. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still say >>>>>> that the >>>>>> >> contest has not started yet? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Romaine >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qay...@hotmail.com>: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Same here Pakistan >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 02:15:51 +0200 >>>>>> >>> From: pierre-se...@huard.info >>>>>> >>> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has >>>>>> not >>>>>> >>> started yet... >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <kaeww...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> This is a message from WMTH. This is about 7:05am Thailand time >>>>>> or >>>>>> >>> 00:05 (UTC). I try to do a test upload and see the following >>>>>> message. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet. >>>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share >>>>>> your >>>>>> >>> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition." >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> The URL is >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat= >>>>>> 13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999 >>>>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Anyone got the same problem? Any solutions? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Many thanks, >>>>>> >>> Taweetham >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> >>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> >>> Pierre-Selim >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves >>>>>> Monuments >>>>>> >>> mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> >>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> >> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > -- Pierre-Selim
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