Yes, I already figured this out trying to add images OF a building, not FROM the building.
Still, P18 could work with qualifiers, but I guess new properties is a better route. If you propose them please let me know (my account is ymblanter). Or we could have some brainstorming here. Best Yaroslav On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 1:41 PM Jan Ainali <ainali....@gmail.com> wrote: > Den sön 31 okt. 2021 kl 10:51 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: > >> Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from >> different sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well. >> What would be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers? >> > > Not P8517, it is meant for images FROM a place, not OF a place. > > The views are obviously eligible for WLM, but it is not trivial to add > them to a Wikidata item consistently right now. We might need some new > properties. > > /Jan > > >> Best >> Yaroslav >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use >>> the images. >>> >>> Best >>> Yaroslav >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves < >>> eder.po...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to >>>> declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM >>>> Brasil: >>>> >>>> - P18 (image) >>>> - P3311 (plan view image) >>>> - P4291 (panoramic view) >>>> - P4640 (photosphere image) >>>> - P8517 (view) >>>> - P1442 (image of grave) >>>> - P1766 (place name sign) >>>> - P1801 (commemorative plaque image) >>>> - P3451 (nighttime view) >>>> - P5252 (winter view) >>>> - P5775 (image of interior) >>>> - P8592 (aerial view) >>>> - P9721 (image of entrance) >>>> - P9906 (inscription image) >>>> >>>> We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't >>>> consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow, >>>> unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June >>>> and September in this property, haha. >>>> >>>> Good contributions, >>>> Éder Porto >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *De:* effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> >>>> *Enviado:* sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32 >>>> *Para:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < >>>> wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> *Assunto:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021 >>>> >>>> It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites? >>>> Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of >>>> filling the gaps. >>>> >>>> For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be >>>> applicable (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way >>>> to explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance. >>>> >>>> Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other >>>> seasons? :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective... >>>> >>>> Lodewijk >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali <ainali....@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com >>>> >: >>>> >>>> Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one >>>> property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used >>>> with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes >>>> people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We >>>> do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic >>>> view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not >>>> think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On >>>> Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one >>>> category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction >>>> between the images on the structural level? >>>> >>>> >>>> You should have looked :) It turns out we have plenty of image >>>> properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw.wiki%2F4Jw2&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974717161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DEkK5OygXJGArzw21AT2StlTmOiST%2FnLwOI4HKffrsg%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> Of these 47 the following were interesting: >>>> >>>> panoramic view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4291 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4291&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4yheJy9%2FXvFbLLiP8WsRzXlBDNat4sotrJXNPGGdFbg%3D&reserved=0> >>>> photosphere image http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4640 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP4640&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974727151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J3IDr0UYCdjliOHlfnfDxSaYbdKLCQ83gLTGEGZIEtE%3D&reserved=0> >>>> winter view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5252 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5252&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974737132%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=um8I15Bj3vMiXVU6%2FwIUpUXGTzQnsx%2BmpJZdNthKNiM%3D&reserved=0> >>>> image of interior http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P5775 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP5775&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rfXyCfPjFs912sf3Hpkm79ou7llDfuJm2%2F48EpI1Q3k%3D&reserved=0> >>>> aerial view http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P8592 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP8592&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974747127%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DvF%2Bs0vdJIVaXlOiuIYe4EpXifWz7CN%2B6sQG22gY%2BvQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> image of entrance http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P9721 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP9721&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974757122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EFUD86NRBEE0XmvRpRqEBs4RKx9FvtuI204lLhu%2Bl3Q%3D&reserved=0> >>>> video http://www.wikidata.org/entity/P10 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2FP10&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gyCCREqyRALsdzt1CVQ%2B38deDCNXZLfL%2BxHYaN5YSW8%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have >>>> several of these, so there's a lot to do. >>>> >>>> /Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia < >>>> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images: >>>> overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice >>>> challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan! >>>> >>>> I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a >>>> special prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize >>>> for an aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of >>>> max 10 images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those >>>> kinds of extra prizes. >>>> >>>> Vriendelijke groet, >>>> Ciell >>>> >>>> >>>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali <ainali....@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't >>>> remember in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just >>>> getting the first image of a monument. >>>> >>>> That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses >>>> many more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL >>>> query in the wikitext should be language neutral.) >>>> >>>> >>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare%3AAinali%2FLista_%C3%B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAnv%25C3%25A4ndare%253AAinali%252FLista_%25C3%25B6ver_byggnadsminnen_i_Visby&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974767117%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3MPzfHEEID%2Fhrguhdg9oGIw8rdMbbohn%2B22tiJbB1qQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> I hope that can inspire someone further >>>> >>>> Med vänliga hälsningar >>>> Jan Ainali >>>> >>>> >>>> Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia < >>>> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions! >>>> >>>> I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available >>>> through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole >>>> WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the >>>> material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fchannel%2FUCkSFoxb3PIWx8b70HG3xyMQ&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974777109%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=u57%2FOeR2eYkLgeAkD2iyTYGJRwwQatelJuYGwEjHafw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> channel, and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well. >>>> >>>> Today's sessions were: >>>> * Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill) >>>> * Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving) >>>> * Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä) >>>> * Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience >>>> (Éder Port) >>>> * Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a >>>> tool to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley) >>>> * Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder) >>>> >>>> I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to >>>> thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition >>>> at today's WikidataCon! 👍 >>>> >>>> Vriendelijke groet, >>>> Ciell >>>> >>>> >>>> Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal < >>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM >>>> today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here - >>>> https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30 >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpretalx.com%2Fwdcon21%2Fschedule%2F%232021-10-30&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974787104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Bbp1pI4TDqlxkDyh%2BbOhppvZZz%2FwOQtbr2gQpieZiiY%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bodhisattwa >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974787104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Q%2B4ELft9V4%2FkG9hs9fXKsX4rvQLt359odcYJARZWdJc%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974797098%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NBLshwr%2BIk6f%2Fipi6WGmAfunbJKZDIYjX2QD6cpB8c0%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974807093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0yj9WSGBAgQbt1L3evDPMHa7mTC9AYvFrwonL8Rm58I%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974817087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VCeY4o3JSkZOFpWBWhbIaBa%2FQEvTAVjhivZBsQt3phY%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974817087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VCeY4o3JSkZOFpWBWhbIaBa%2FQEvTAVjhivZBsQt3phY%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikilovesmonuments.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd38c6e9a3a746bc6a3f08d99bece079%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637712263974827080%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rk4p0jcJrE1YIN5LAeoMYocGe54GJinUvcUbplkR4iI%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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