Indeed Denny, making those changes is very difficult, and we are facing a number of these challenges. You know what? Given the importance of a good user interface (and other things), I could even imagine that the WMFbuilds up a new Wikipedia site and watches where the majority of people want to contribute. If that would result in a permanent fork, between a modern user interface Wikipedia and the one we have now... well, depending on some factors, I might find it worth the progress. Kind regards Ziko
2012/8/17 Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]>: > <rant> > > If WMF had a Steve Jobs on staff, everyone would hate him for making > decisions without properly consulting the community, for destroying > the community, for reinventing Wikimedia again, for making unpopular > decisions, for making decisions behind close doors, for being an > egomaniac, etc. > > Heck, we cannot even get the branding right. We call our project > Wikimedia Commons, Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews... we have a > software called MediaWiki, and the whole movement is called the > Wikimedia Movement. No surprise people think Wikileaks is one of ours. > No surprise people cannot get these words right. There have been > several suggestions for improving the branding, but every time met > with strong resistance. > > I think Athena is a much more though-out design step for Wikipedia, > and I am very much looking forward to it to happen. But as long as > there is considerable backlash for something like a move from Monobook > to Vector -- which, it seems, is not even regarded as a design update > by most critics here -- I am wary about the social costs involved in > such an update. > > </rant> > > Yes, it would be nice if it was easier to change Wikipedia. > > Cheers, > Denny > > > 2012/8/17 Nathan <[email protected]>: >> Never having been to design school like Amir, I can't comment on what grade >> it might get. But I do like it a lot; I think it's a serious improvement >> over what we use now, and incorporates design principles that we should >> adopt even if we don't take the design itself. The visual elements, the >> better branding and identification of sister projects, and the modern feel >> / look are all elements that can be adapted. >> >> I'd love to see more of these complete redesign proposals with a >> professional feel. The current "2012 main page redesign" proposals are >> almost uniformly amateurish, and many make only the most minimal >> adjustments. More importantly, they are aimed only at the main page - what >> needs to be updated is really the entire thing. 10 years on and the editing >> interface is still shit, and the design is still aimed at satisfying lowest >> common denominator concerns. Time for a new approach, if only Wikimedia had >> a Steve Jobs on staff. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > -- > Project director Wikidata > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
