On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:06 PM, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote:
> This particular ongoing saga (refusing to provide an opt-out mechanism for > VisualEditor) seems to largely echo past issues with treating Wikimedia > editors as customers instead of colleagues. That's not the intent, and I'm sorry if that's how it comes across. The "Just make it go away if you don't like it" solution of saying "Tick this checkbox if you don't want to deal with VisualEditor ever again" seems to me to be more problematic in creating distance between WMF and its most active users. As this dialog hopefully demonstrates, distance is the last thing we want to create. We want to actually make sure that the default user experience we can offer _works_ for power users, rather than just making it easy to freeze the experience in time and having us not worry about "those users" anymore. Like I said in my response to Adam, that was the approach taken to Monobook->Vector, and it's not one we want to repeat. As I've noted in my response to wikitech-l just now, there's also the issue of what "opt-out" should mean as VE becomes increasingly more pervasive in the user experience. But as I've noted in [1], I do not think a compromise on the preference question is necessarily out of reach. I've asked James and team to deliberate on some of the possibilities here, and offered the same suggestion I noted in [1]. Erik [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-July/070643.html -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
