That's exactly what Ziko is talking about: Hierarchy really 'reverts' users into real people, but moreover - it gives them power to command the resources (people and money are just resources for many of 'commanders'), and politics - how to gain ASAP and then to keep ...ALAP (as long as possible) the commandment position (through the elections etc.).
...and that 'ordinary' people suffer of proper knowledge about power, (democratic) procedures etc. (see the Ziko' explanation), but what is worse - organisation suffers even more (much more). On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM, attolippip <attolip...@gmail.com> wrote: > yep. i strongly agree > > 'an understanding of some basic concepts and ideas' is really important, i > believe > but what-makes-wikiworld-go just doesn't seem to work within a 'formal' > organization > i wonder if a 'visible' hierarchy 'reverts' users into ordinary people... > > ziko, thank you for sharing this! > > best regards, > antanana > > > 2013/8/20 Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shev...@gmail.com> > > > Hello Ziko, > > > > I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding > > "fundamental > > lack of political education among the activists". > > > > Regards, > > Pavlo > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vand...@wmnederland.nl > > >wrote: > > > > > Dear friends of free knowledge, > > > > > > Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind > > remarks > > > on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward > to > > > finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. > > :-) > > > ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland > > > > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > > > Postbus 167 > > > 3500 AD Utrecht > > > http://wikimedia.nl > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
