Thanks, Fred Much appreciated.
Regards, Rui On 5 September 2013 01:16, Fred Bauder <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: > It is addressed but by a rather complicated and demanding process. See > Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Not really workable for new users who bump > up against well-established users who have bad habits, or have learned > that nasty behavior pays off in being able to control content. > > Fred > > > I think you are completely right and it is a big problem in the > > Wiki-world that is not being addressed by anyone in a leading position. > > > > Regards, > > Lars Gardenius > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Rui Correia <correia....@gmail.com> > > An: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Gesendet: 23:08 Mittwoch, 4.September 2013 > > Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself > > > > > > Greetings to All > > > > Let me start by saying that I don't do much here at the WP, not compared > > to > > people who make hundreds of edits a week. I would love to, have a long > > list > > of "to-do", but unfortunately time is not on my side. > > > > In my limited involvemet here, I have seen many a good editor leave the > > project. Mostly, people leave because they can't take it anymore having > > to > > fight the 'blocks' of defenders that coalesce around certain topics. > > > > In itself, though not very healthy, such blocks forming around topis is > > fine. What is not fine is that if any issue gets referred to a higher > > process for a resolution, it is often the same people grouping of people > > previously involved in disputes on the same topic who come to the > > resolution forum to issue a decision. However, it is always the > > 'outsider' > > that loses. He gets acused of everything under the sun, and gets 'good > > advice' from supposedly neutral editors, urging him to calm down, to > > temper > > his language etc. It is like trying to point out that the earth is round > > at > > a monthly meetng of the fat-earthers. That is not healthy and is making > > the > > WP processes look like a kangaroo court run by a cabal. > > > > And I expect pretty much the same reaction to this email. > > > > I pointed out in an ealier email to this list the difficulty that one > > encounters when you include something negative about certain big > > corporations. I was stoned and made to feel that I was wrong and everbody > > else was right. The reaction was tantamount to a chorus of "yes, we know > > there are problems, but don't say it out loud, someone might hear you!". > > > > Let's for argument's say that I was wrong. But - more importantantly - > > was > > anything done to investigate what I was saying? What if there are legions > > out there paid to sanitise the pages of big corporations? And we know > > that > > they exist, and that WP has taken up the issue as in here, > > > http://nick-xomba-ceo.xomba.com/microsoft_accused_of_paying_blogger_to_alter_wikipedia_articles > > > > I made a silly remark on a Talk page about the choice of the word > > "downgrade" to refer to people using Windows 8 who wanted to go back to > > XP. > > For a failed product, by Microsoft's own admission, going back to XP is > > an > > upgrade, going back to sanity, not a downgrade. > > > > I was first accused of trolling, then something else, then of offending > > the > > entire community of users of Windows 8. The editor who is adamant - not > > the > > first time - to purge ant-MS from the talkpage violated the 3RR, but > > nothing gets done about it. I reported the 3RR, and it was immediately > > closed, labelled as being relatiatory. There is a backlog of issues on > > that > > page, but my entry was closed within minutes. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Codename_Lisa_reported_by_User:Rui_Gabriel_Correia_.28Result:_Closed.29 > > > > It was closed, claiming that it was already being addressed elsewhere. > > > > So, I too will consider my stay here. Like I said right at the top, I > > don't > > do much here, so I am certain I will not even be missed. I edit in eight > > languages, small little bits here and there. I participated in a number > > of > > initiaves on the development of Chapters in Africa and am happy to see > > that > > things are moving. I had the honour and privilege to meet Jimmy Wales in > > South Africa and to discuss a few things relating to WP in Africa. > > > > So, it is time to wind down anr retire into a corner. I am busy with a > > novel, I am sure that is where I should invest my time and energy. > > > > Sincere regards to all, happy editing > > > > Rui Correia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________ > > Rui Correia > > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant > > Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant > > > > Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 > > Número de Telemóvel na à frica do Sul +27 74 425 4186 > > _______________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- _________________________ Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 Número de Telemóvel na África do Sul +27 74 425 4186 _______________ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>