And that explains an article on the United States full of misinformation and an article on the Ottoman Empire that is somewhat better? Actually it does: we have considerable distance from the Ottoman Empire; and little ability to be objective about ourselves.
Fred > Hoi, > Every Wikipedia has its own point of view. They are all not neutral if > only > by omission. Do consider the amount of effort that has gone in the > creation > of articles relating to the United States of America,. Compare this with > the coverage of the Ottoman Empire, given that the English Wikipedia is > used all over the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The > Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now > consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant... > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: > >> A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine >> what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. >> >> Fred >> >> > Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in >> > the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp >> in >> > Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia >> > >> > The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit >> > hard to listen to [1] >> > >> > The most interesting parts are >> > *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update >> > the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so >> they >> > will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a >> decent >> > Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from >> Russia >> > *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian >> > language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. >> The >> > current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian an >> > official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine >> > *It seems the university students make it as almost a political >> choice >> > if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp >> > >> > The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have >> > not heard of from our ordinary "western" chapters/language versions >> (or >> > is catalonian/Amical an example) >> > >> > And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent, of the >> > dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . >> Also >> > of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of >> > article by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting >> > development in India, with their many different language versions. >> > >> > We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, >> > where we all probably can have a lot to learn >> > >> > Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there >> are >> > very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing >> enough >> > to support the active communities and developments in the Global >> East? >> > (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the >> > movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board >> > and groups of representatives coming from western world?) >> > >> > Anders >> > >> > >> > [1] >> > >> http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=db&id=4725418&codingformat=.m4a&metafile=asx >> > [2] >> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic >> > increase of use of arabic wikipedia >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>