Just to clarify that I don't believe Tomasz, the original poster, was trolling.
You, Ashley, have been doing so spectacularly :) On 7 Apr 2014 16:50, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > No. You may want to look at > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Standards_in_Public_Life> > this does not include keeping things secret just because someone said > "let's keep this secret". The exact opposite is true, if you are in a > trusted public position then you must show leadership for integrity, > honesty and openness even if this does mean explaining your actions > that you thought would stay in-camera under a "gentleman's agreement". > To do otherwise, as has been readily demonstrated by the history of UK > Government political networks, corrupts the movement by turning the > "higher ranks" into an Old Boys Club who are more likely to find ways > to cover up for each other, rather than be seen to be accountable. > > It goes on to spell out that [Chapter Trustees] "are accountable for > their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves > to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office." Calling Tomasz a > troll as a way of dismissing a serious question about statements made > in meetings that Wikimedia donors paid for about the volunteer > community is not unreasonable. Had whomever said these things, came > forward and explained their point of view, in the same way as the > always delightful Christophe Henner has in this thread, then they > would have my respect and be seen to comply with the Nolan principles. > > In comparison to Christophe's openness, Chris Keating's responses to > good faith questions about this workshop before it happened,[1] in > particular his blatantly dismissive replies to long term Wikimedian > well known activist Effeietsanders, seem well below how we expect > someone who has formally signed up to the Nolan principles as part of > the UK trustee code[2] to behave. As Michael Maggs is the one with a > duty as the UK Chairman to enforce this code, I am sure folks will be > welcome to ask him about these matters, and his expectation for > behaviour from his board members, both when in closed or open meetings > or on this email list, during the open meetings at the Wikimedia > Conference later this week. I hope such a discussion does not get > turned around into "how do we stop Tomasz from trolling us by asking > difficult questions". > > Links: > 1. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_March_2014#Typo.3F > 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Trustee_Code_of_Conduct > > Fae > > On 7 April 2014 15:44, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> *"@Fae: I do not think that it is within the spirit of the Nolan > >> Principles to break a promise given to participants..."* > >> > > > > > > I'm sorry but quote someone on a on-line journal does not break the > promise > > of secrecy? If they speak believing they would never be quoted, put their > > words on the Wikipedia Signpost isnt breaking that? > > > > _____ > > *Béria Lima* > > > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > > construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > > > > On 7 April 2014 09:53, eLib Project <elibproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hey all! > >> > >> As I have been helping out with wikipedias from time to time, here my > >> 5 cent: > >> > >> @Fae: I do not think that it is within the spirit of the Nolan > >> Principles to break a promise given to participants... there is no > >> trade-off possible between the principles for the principles > >> (Leadership, Honesty, Integrity Selflessness Objectivity vs Openness, > >> Accountability ?!). That is, after all the basic concept > of > >> principles - that they are even followed when you don't want to or > >> like to. > >> > >> @discussion culture: To get to a decision, everyone must be allowed to > >> express her/or himself in a discussion without fearing repercussions > >> afterwards - otherwise you just get yes-people who will not > >> participate or worse, tell you what you want to hear. Why it is > >> important to say something stupid like "fuck the community" is because > >> it came right from the inside, without prior going through a filter... > >> with this reaction people will filter and you will not only loose > >> dumb but also intelligent contributions. > >> > >> @future (sarcasm warning): if you do not wish this sort of > >> comments, just say so in a general sense - YES, it's possible to > >> get the message across without a witch/wizard hunt and even CHANGE > >> the rules for the next time... learning without burning... how the > >> world could have looked if this had been used more often... > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> gego > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
