I'd like to note that the following is my personal opinion, and any resemblance to the opinions of the Wikipedia community or any parts therof, Jimmy Wales, the NSA, the Dutch government, Y-combinator, the national library of Australia, the British Housewives' League, and/or any other opinion of any individual and/or organisation is purely coincidental. (am I doing this right?)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > In case it's not clear enough in my sig, this is my personal opinion: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Martijn Hoekstra < > martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell" <keegan.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about > > > > sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family > > > > situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was > > > > much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly- due > > > > to the fact that they run discussion software over there. > > > > > > > > ,Wil > > > > > > > > > > > This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for new > > > users, myself included. > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=26555079 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Keegan > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > > I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters new > > users. But it's hardly the end of the world either. By signing the wrong > > way no real harm is done, if someone just tells you about the option to > use > > ~~~~ > > > > It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example of > the > > idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki. So you did something not > right? > > Great, that means you contributed. So we fix it (collaboratively) and > > improve your contribution, no harm done. > > > I agree with you, Martjin. If you follow the cookie crumbs you'd see that > I registered an account on the English Wikipedia /solely/ so I could sign a > complaint about a resource I used and loved, and I thought it best to give > respect back by registering and figuring out how to sign my complaint. I > was also incredibly lucky as a n00b to have positive interactions, right > from the get-go, which makes it a little more clear to me why I'm still > around after all this time. I'm thirty-three years old, to me a nine-year > unintentional commitment is a lifetime :) > > I'm also aware, through my experiences through the past nine years, that my > experience is Golden™, and I desperately wish all new users could have such > an experience. > > This kind of thing starts with software changes that break my workflow. I > hate that. But to be fair, my workflow is ridiculous because the software > is. > > The steps I have to take to do the things that I do would, IMO, make a > rational person cry :). I really don't understand the theory that new > users have to go through the same experiences as I did, no matter how > pleasant, again IMO, my experiences were. Neither do I, really - which is why I support auto signing and a quick-reply button added to the current interface Hazing is an antiquated and > unfruitful process. It only breaks people down to rebuild them in the image > that you want, and that's contradictory to the individualism that Wikimedia > promotes. I think you're attacking a straw man. I certainly want new users to have a positive experience, and not, in your words haze them. > I enjoy the fact that Wikimedia sites allow flexibility and > customization on a personal account and institutional level. On the other > hand, the world keeps moving and I stay in the same place unless I choose > to go through the process of acceptance of a changing world. I do not > consider the world changing to be something shoved down my throat; it's a > reality of life. > > -- > ~Keegan > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email address > is in a personal capacity. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
