I agree, we shouldn't fee anything but a "reimburse" for the massive
usage of our hardware/networking resources would be ok.
Using over the tops' facilities would be great but it would also bring
to privacy concerns.
Finally if an over the top wants some further feature it can fund
scholarships, easy, transparent and without any side effect.
Vito
Il 16/01/2016 17:22, Peter Southwood ha scritto:
I agree with Todd on most, possibly all points, but if Google want to finance
faster access for their search engine, in way of hardware, software or
development, with no strings attached, as long as it puts no-one at a
disadvantage at the time or in future, then why not?
Peter
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Todd Allen
Sent: Saturday, 16 January 2016 6:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
I wonder how many ways there are to say "No"? Well, let's start with "no".
(My actual thoughts on this idea would probably get me put on moderation, so
I'll refrain.)
I helped build this project to be freely available to all reusers for all
purposes. The WMF's job should be to provide as many ways as possible to make
that reuse easy by anyone who wants to, whether that reuser be a multibillion
dollar tech company or a kid in sub-Saharan Africa. It is a fundamental
principle that no one, ever, should be charged to access, reuse, whatever have
you, Wikimedia content. Not even if they could afford to pay.
Conversely, Google should never get a foot in the door to control Wikimedia or Mediawiki.
And anyone who's writing a check holds some cards. Big check, lot of cards. If they want
to donate to Wikimedia (and it'd be in their interest to, they certainly make significant
use of our content), great! If they want to donate with strings attached, thanks but no
thanks. We're certainly not hurting for money. If they want to pull a recurring donation
if we do or don't do something, the answer should always be "Sorry to see you go.
Thanks for the donations in the past."
I am becoming more and more convinced that the formal vote of no confidence Fae keeps
putting forth is in fact necessary. And I don't exactly often agree with Fae, nor am I
the Wikipediocracy "Beat up Wikipedia and Wikimedia at every opportunity" type.
Rather, it's out of deep concern and care for the project I've spent a lot of time
helping to build, and a lot of other people have too. I don't want to take that step, but
this has got to stop, here and now.
Todd
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
What do they cost the foundation for their access? If they put up the
costs significantly in way of bandwidth or servers or anything like
that, it would be reasonable for them to support the extra costs.
Peter
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Behalf Of Andrea Zanni
Sent: Saturday, 16 January 2016 2:08 PM
To: Craig Franklin; Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
Do you think?
I'm genuinely not sure.
I think that the difference in scale from what Google does with our
data and the general developer/researcher is pretty big. One million times big.
I actually think that "over-the-top" players like Google do actually
exploit free licensed materials like Wikipedia... I mean, their
Knowledge Vault is probably 100 bigger than Wikidata, but they are not
supposed to share it. It's an internal asset. And it's not matter of CC0 or
CCBYSA:
they can keep it hidden.
There very, very few players who can exploit commons like this: do we
need/have the right to address this? Is it a problem?
Aubrey
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Craig Franklin <
cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
wrote:
On 16 January 2016 at 19:23, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm interested to hear some perspectives on the following line of
thinking:
Lisa presented some alternative strategies for revenue needs for
the Foundation, including the possibility of charging for premium
access to
the
services and APIs,
Brace yourselves...
expanding major donor and foundation fundraising, providing
specific services for a fee, or limiting the Wikimedia Foundation's growth.
The Board emphasized the importance of keeping free access to the
existing APIs and services, keeping operational growth in line
with the organization's effectiveness, providing room for
innovation in the Foundation's activities, and other potential
fundraising
strategies.
The Board asked Lila to analyze and develop some of these
potential strategies for further discussion at a Board meeting in 2016.
Source: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2015-11-07
Looking for additional revenue sources isn't a bad idea, but
charging for premium access is likely to annoy the community to a
degree that will make the great Visual Editor revolt look like some
quiet and polite
murmuring.
Cheers,
Craig
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