On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am totally with Benjamin on this. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude >> is of course going to piss people off. And it may be that denying the >> value of peoples' experiences or dismissing their misery is not, in >> fact, what you mean to be communicating. But it is how it's coming >> out. For me, at least, that's why I find your emails frustrating. >> > > That is an odd way to dismiss any counter-argument - it is going to piss > you or others off? You are the only staff member so far objecting to any > dissenting view, existentially. I'm sure you would prefer no dissent should > exist at all because you are having a miserable time, just 100 people > piling on one? > > I see the conversation heavily leaning in one direction - against Lila. She > is overwhelmingly being blamed, accused and rebutted by just about every > member on this list - in unofficial and official channels. This includes > the staff, community members and even past board members. Anything short of > calling her literally the worst or comparison her to lady hitler will not > be moving things any further than they are. > > A few staff members like Brion, expressed dissent to Lila's assertion, but > wonderfully well. They offered counter-arguments, and provided context we > all needed. Dissent is necessary, it moves the conversation along. You are > in essence doing what your senior management was accused of, silencing > criticism internally because you are having a rough time. I'm sure it > doesn't feel nice.
Well, no. They're entirely different things. I'm happy to turn that into a longer discussion if you're genuinely interested in what I see as the difference, but I appreciate that may not be the case. > > Regards > Theo > > PS Anthony, you shouldn't have sent a private email to the list. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
