Anna I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the responsible party"
There is a difference between fault, responsibility and accountability. Just saying we are all at fault is as meaningful or meaningless, and as useless, as saying that we are none of us at fault. The question is, who is responsible for doing what, to whom are they accountable for doing it, and how well or badly have they done what they are responsible for? You say "We've created a culture that is hard on people". Which culture do you mean? Is it the working culture within the WMF? Or one, some or all of the hundreds of volunteer projects? How were those cultures created and why did they evolve as they did? Did anyone create them, if if "we" did, who are "we" in this context? Is it everyone equally? Do you think that a Director of Culture and Collaboration might have more responsibility and more impact than one of the hundred thousand or so active volunteer content contributors, or the billion or so users? What do you propose that the Foundation and Community actually do to support each other? "Rogol" On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to talk beyond this particular instance or these particular > protagonists. > > I'd like to talk about culture. We've created a culture that is hard on > people, somewhat punishing of them. We engage in a good deal of public > shaming. > > We need to find a way to turn our culture toward more generative and > constructive forms of public discourse. If we fail, smart, good, healthy > Wikimedians will go away and not add their knowledge to our projects. > > It’s not even about whose at fault anymore, because we all are. When I talk > to people across the movement, they're all pretty clear that someone other > than themselves is the responsible party: > > - “It’s the dysfunctional board.” > - “No, no. it’s the “toxic communities”. > - “Of course not, its the obtuse staff”. > > First, this is not healthy and it is not true. We have smart, brilliant, > competent people throughout our movement. I’ve met brilliant, generative, > empathic community members who have performed a deep service by adding > their knowledge. I’ve met brilliant staff members that are advancing ideas > that can have tremendously positive impacts on our projects. I’ve met > brilliant board members who are thinking about the future in a very serious > way. > > Second, it does us no good to shift the blame around and work against each > other. We have to find ways to support each other in solving problems > because we have a lot of important problems to solve together. > > We face so many challenges, not least of which is a world that seems to > think that closed societies and ignorance and divisions are better than > open societies, coursing with knowledge and constructive unity. Of the many > challenges we face together: being collectively diminishing of one another > and divisive should not be one of them. > > Sorry, I just can’t keep quiet <https://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=v_DvGP6Y4jQ> on > this any more. > > /a > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:39 AM, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Does anyone doubt that the English Wikipedia's longstanding, > > pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side > > trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics due at least > > in part to early influence of editors attracted to Jimmy Wales' former > > public positions isn't at least partially responsible for the > > situation Romaine describes below? > > > > Would it be better to move the Foundation out of the U.S., fix the > > bias, or both? > > > > https://twitter.com/JaneMayerNYer/status/808003564291244033 > > > > Sincerely, > > Jim Salsman > > > > ---- forwarded message ---- > > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:33:53 +0100 > > From: Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general > > > > Today I was reading in the (international) news about websites with > > knowledge on the topic of climate change disappear from the internet as > > result of the Trump administration. The second thing I read is that > before > > something can be published about this topic, the government needs to > > approve this. > > > > Do you realise what the right word for this is? censorship. > > Even if it is only partially. > > > > Luckily there are many scientists working on getting all the data abroad, > > out of the US to ensure the research data is saved, including on servers > in > > the Netherlands where Trump (hopefully) has no reach. > > > > In the past week I was reading about the Internet Archive organisation, > who > > is making a back up in Canada because of the Trump administration. I did > > not understood this, you may call me naive, but now I do understand, > > apparently they have some visionary people at the Internet Archive. > > > > I miss a good answer to this situation from the Wikimedia Foundation. > > > > Trump is now promoting harassment and disrespect, already for some time, > > > > What signal is given to the rest of the world if an America based > > organisation is spreading the thought of a harassment free Wikipedia and > > the free word, while the president of the US is promoting harassment, > > disrespect and censorship on a massive scale. > > > > This is just the first week of this president! > > > > I am 100% sure everyone in the Wikimedia movement is willing to make sure > > Wikimedia faces no damage whatsoever, including in WMF, but to me this > > still starts to get concerning. > > > > If we as Wikimedia movement think that free knowledge, free speech, > freedom > > of information, etc are important, I would think that the location where > > the organisation is based is that country where liberty is the largest, I > > do not know where this is but it is definitely not the US. > > > > To my impression WMF is stuck in the US, so I do not believe they would > > actually move when the danger grows. > > > > But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world. > > Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the > > knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation. > > > > To come to a conclusion, I think WMF and the Wikimedia movement should > > think about a back-up plan if it actually goes wrong. > > > > > > If you do not agree with me: that is perfectly fine, that's your right > and > > should be protected. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Romaine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > "If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it." - Margaret > Fuller > > Anna Stillwell > Director of Culture > Wikimedia Foundation > 415.806.1536 > *www.wikimediafoundation.org <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>* > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
