was writing my comment at the same time as Manuel, there is a local legal dimension in his comment that hasnt been brought up here that is there may be no ability to scale back to a Usergroup model, those dimensions will be different for every country but we need to also recognise that they exist and are potentially substantial barriers.
While community process might call a group a UG and relate to them in that way, the actual underlying local requirements and expenses maybe be no different to that of a chapter. As we are learning changes can occur rapidly and the implications of those is beyond the ability of a one size fits all policy/process to address needs for 190 different countries plus internal states and independent territories. I dont disagree we need these policies and process but care in recommending them without the appropriate training and knowledge is also part of the problem On 8 February 2017 at 16:22, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > trying to understand the process as well as the why here, > > what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent > supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same > as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and > given until 1 November to do it. > > If this had been Australia our reporting occurs with the our annual > general meeting normally in October at which the members endorse or reject > the reports(never happened) at the same time the committee is dissolved and > elections take place(legal requirement in Australia) This new committee has > a number of functions to carry out of the change over including reporting > to a number of Government agencies, as well as to the WMF which happened on 7 > Nov > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Australia/2016/Annual_Report&action=history>, > > > Looking at the WMHK reporting the previous period 2014-15 report wasnt > posted until 1st December, to place an expectation of compliance by 1 > November in September 2016 when the normal reporting time frame is > historically longer appears unfair and designed to cause conflict. > > Recognising some faults in that the 2014-15 report wasnt adequate and > needs to be improved, and that its now February 2017 the report still hasnt > been furnished. The process of de-registering that has taken place based on > the information provided appears flawed. I dont discount that other > information not made available makes this a necessary step but perhaps > there is room for a period suspension 12-18 months which is what it would > take to get another affiliate started anyway would. > > Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it > appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people > with it with at the first opportunity. > > On 8 February 2017 at 15:29, Gilbert Conus <gilbert.co...@wikimedia.ch> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to >> understand this email ? >> >> Regards, >> Gilbert >> >> >> Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit : >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic >>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent >>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia >>> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards >>> set >>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has >>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement >>> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued >>> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the >>> Wikimedia movement. >>> >>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their >>> suspension >>> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with >>> reporting >>> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and >>> deadlines >>> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The >>> chapter >>> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and >>> was >>> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a >>> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on >>> February 1, 2017. >>> >>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in >>> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put >>> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate >>> _de-recognition_FAQ >>> . >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kirill Lokshin >>> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >> -- >> Gilbert Conus >> Wikimedia CH Member >> >> --- >> >> Wikimedia CH >> Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> Association pour l'avancement des connaissances libres >> Associazione per il progresso della conoscenza libera >> Association for the advancement of free knowledge >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > -- GN. 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