On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hoi, > Anna I absolutely loved what you write. Gerard, I'm feeling the love, dude. (A fellow co-worker and I were talking the other day and she said that she even calls inanimate objects dude. I deeply resonated. So "dude" for us is not a gendered pronoun.) > It is very much uplifting to see > that you want to move forward and want to do this based on the facts on > the ground Yes. Keep in mind that *we will make mistakes*. A lot of them. I promise you. I'm probably making one right now. > and not so much on our convoluted history that is spread out so much that > even someone like me who has been involved for the longest time has given > up on yesterdays arguments. > I agree with this statement. We need to build relationships for the future. And, "Rogol" wasn't talking about the past. He was inquiring about a product roadmap, which is all about the future. And his questions were fair. > > Some will say but.. but ... and from their position they may be right. They > forget that there are over 280 languages, more in the pipe line and even > more projects and as it is we do not consider this at all. English > Wikipedia is less than 50% and as Asaf said in a recent presentation less > than 50% of the people in this world have English as a first or second > language. Arguments from the past mean that the diversity we are is less > important than the incumbency of the present talking heads. > Yes. Think of all of the places we could go and things we could do. Remember to offer your important ideas in the movement strategy conversation. It's about a strategic direction, a theme for the next 15 years. A general layer of meaning that sits right below the vision and describes the theme of the next 15 years. Might that not help coalesce our efforts? > > When arguments are based in the past, the reality check if the arguments > still fit the present is typically left out. When arguments are of high > quality, they should still convince and do not need to consider their > legacy. > I often forget to reality check if an argument still fits. Good reminder for me. It would be so much easier if reality would just let us make up our minds once and for all. lol. Thanks, > GerardM > p.s. I know this may sound really ignorant, but what does "Hoi" mean? That's how you've started every email that I can ever remember. > On 11 February 2017 at 02:34, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me > > to > > > > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list. > > > > > > > Thank you for explaining that. I appreciate you teaching me the rules. > > After I posted, I also had a number of wiki elves simultaneously ping me > on > > a number of different channels to let me know the very same thing. A > bunch > > of gardeners just tending to the commons. It was delightful. It felt like > > an entrance into a different world. I was wondering when the hobbits > would > > show up with second breakfast and above all: ale. I want some ale. > > > > > > > > > > > > Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement > strategy > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017>. > I > > > know > > > > that many other things will need to happen to arrive at the state > that > > > you > > > > speak of, but thinking together at that scale is likely a good start > in > > > my > > > > mind. It might even be a necessary but insufficient pre-requisite > for > > > the > > > > kind of collaboration you speak of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us hope that it does what is both necessary and sufficient. > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is > > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is > not > > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation. > > > > Besides, I could use some. Hope, that is. It’s looking bleak out there. > > It’s tough to wake up in the middle of your life and realize that it > looks > > like most of the world thinks a regression back to nationalism and > > censorship and white, straight power is a good idea. Not as tough as > > needing knowledge and food and health every single day and not having > > access to it, but tough in a Maslow’s-hierarchy-kinda-way. There is so > > much work to do on so many fronts. > > > > I wake up thinking about and feeling unsure about the future. > > > > > > > > The current notion being instantiated in the proposed Technical > > > guidelines > > > > > is very much about a wise and benevolent Foundation steering its > > ideas > > > > > through a reluctant community. That is frankly insufficient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you direct me to those Technical guidelines? I don’t know the > > > > reference and I should. > > > > > > > > > > They are at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_ > > > Guidance > > > which is currently under discussion. This appears to be a successor > > > project to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_ > > > process/Communities which is described as stalled. > > > > > > > Thank you. I have not yet read these because I spent a lot of time this > > week clarifying Joady’s and my role with KM and JL. We all wanted clarity > > on which problems we were solving and which ones we were not. My JD is at > > the end of the email if you would like that clarity as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe not. But if it could strike a deeper cord around > > transparency, > > > I > > > > > > wanted to show up for that conversation. Talk openly. Let people > > know > > > > > that > > > > > > we are listening, that we believe in transparency… that’s why we > > all > > > > > fought > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > To be clear, I have no sense whether it did strike a cord around > > > > > > transparency, but I enjoyed the conversation nevertheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience of the Foundations notion of Transparency has been > > patchy > > > > at > > > > > lest -- and that's a polite way of saying breathtakingly awful. > > > > > > > > > > > > That good? All jokes aside, I take this very seriously. I’d like to > > hear > > > > your notion of transparency, but first I’ll offer this one that I > > > recently > > > > heard because I have the sense that it will resonate with you. We're > in > > > the > > > > final stages of an org-wide conversation on our values > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values/2016_discussion/Framing>. We > > > > invited some current and former community-selected board members as > > well > > > as > > > > volunteers beyond the board to these conversations. I enjoyed them > > very > > > > much. > > > > > > > > Normally, I would attribute this quote, but these conversations were > > > > anonymized, so I don’t have permission to reveal my brilliant source. > > > They > > > > talked about how transparency was likely not the right word for what > > they > > > > really wanted. They wanted a way to join in. They wanted to know > where > > > they > > > > could plug in. Is that a notion of “maybe more than transparency" > that > > > > resonates with you? > > > > > > > > That’s the problem that I’m chewing on. And so your ideas around > > > > collaboration are interesting to me. So I’m thinking about them. What > > > they > > > > would mean, how it could be done, the myriad of constraints that make > > it > > > > seem quite difficult to orchestrate. > > > > > > > > > > The difference between Transparency and Engagement is indeed what I > have > > > been concerned about. But genuine engagement cannot take place on a > > basis > > > of asymmetric access to information. So transparency seems to be the > > > prerequisite > > > > > > Cool. I think we’re thinking in some similar directions. It seems like > > we're interested in similar problems. I still don’t know what to do about > > it. It's not as easy as it looks, but it definitely looks like that is > the > > direction we should go in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has changed in the last fortnight to make me expect that it > will > > > be > > > > > different this year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, if there’s one thing I think I’ve learned throughout my career, > > > it’s > > > > all of the things that could go wrong. Sometimes it feels like that’s > > > all I > > > > have to offer: what not to do. > > > > > > > > I also don’t think grand pronouncements are the way to go. So I’d be > > > happy > > > > to explain some of the things that I do think have changed, as long > as > > > you > > > > know I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m just > legitimately > > > > answering your question from my partial point of view. > > > > > > > > Leadership has changed. I see more people internally looking to > involve > > > > relevant stakeholders in their work (New Readers and ORES come to > > mind). > > > > I’m also hopeful about the movement strategy process. It looks like a > > > good > > > > faith effort on everyone’s part to come together and discuss the > future > > > in > > > > open, inclusive, documented discourse > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017>. > > > > > > > > I see progress, not perfection. > > > > > > > > > > I see confusion. In the last fortnight was a reference to the ED's > > public > > > pronouncement that she thought it waste of her time to engage with > people > > > like me directly on her Meta talk page. Her predecessor had not > thought > > > that. > > > > > > > I don't have time to investigate this statement and work to piece > together > > what happened, and since I don't have that time, I will not comment in > any > > way on this particular instance. > > > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the > > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about the > > past. I can address the future. To properly address the future, ad hoc > and > > particular solution sets won't suffice. We'll need coherent and general > > solution sets, with enough particulars to keep the solution set honest. > > > > > > > > > > In the middle ground, there is the > > > > > > > issue of the current product roadmap and its delivery. Perhaps > > an > > > > > > > indication of what that roadmap is may help to refine and > revise > > > the > > > > > plan > > > > > > > that will have to be drawn up for executing the work that is > left > > > > > hanging > > > > > > > by these events. > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t have enough information. > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Is any of those close to the truth, do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know. > > > > > > > > > > I want to be polite here. > > > > > > We're cool. > > > > > > > It is very unusual for an organisation like the > > > WMF not to have the sort of Roadmap that I describe, > > > > > > I didn’t say that we didn’t have a Roadmap. I said that I did not know. > > > > > > > and extraordinarily unusual that a person at your level in the > > > organisation should not know of its existence and be able to confirm at > > > least whether or not it exists. > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > One caveat: I am a Director in Talent and Culture. Please allow me to > > explain. You may have noticed we’ve had some talent and culture > challenges > > as of late. I’m sure you can imagine how those challenges could keep me > > (one of two senior leaders in a department of 10, 5 of whom are solely > > dedicated to recruiting and 1 dedicated solely to employee benefits), > > relatively busy. Although I agree with you in principle, I’m just asking > > you to see how under those circumstances it could make sense that a > > Director in T&C might not be up to date on what is going on relative to > > Product Roadmaps. > > > > However, I am here now. > > > > > > > You must be aware that your answer suggests at a bare minimum the > > > possibility that you, as an officer of the WMF, are evading the > question. > > > > > > > That possibility genuinely never occurred to me. Evading the > > question? Quite the contrary, Rogol. I have answered in the most exposing > > and real way possible. I have said, "I don’t know", on a public mailing > > list. Talk about a total lack of spin! I think that is in the > > Wharton-Business-School > > <http://executiveeducation.wharton.upenn.edu/for-individuals?gclid= > > CMGp9YTnhtICFURqfgod_AYI_g&slx=NAM_BRAND&ef_id=WFbx6wAAAN1GRt7g: > > 20170211003858:s>-what-not-to-do > > manual... admit that you don't know something in public. > > > > To be any more transparent, I would have to wear a body cam. I trust the > > NSA is working on it. > > > > If I may be so bold, it seems that your interpretation of my words lacks > > even basic faith. It seems to be the penultimate worst possible > > interpretation (the worst being lying, the second... evading). > > > > But your nearly automatic interpretation may point to a deeper issue. I > > hear you saying that you don't take me at my word. That you may not take > us > > at our word. And I imagine that we have done some things to earn your > > distrust. I hear you. > > > > But I assure you that I am telling you the truth now: I do not know. > > > > I work to identify general problems. Once identified, I seek to > understand > > which problems are my most important problems. I don't think in terms of > > priorities. I think about my most important problems because the wording > > helps me get to and stick to the heart of it. > > > > Then I like to debate my most important problems because someone could > see > > information that I can't. Why those problems? What is the rationale? > > Potentially > > I revise my most important problems based on input or reading or speaking > > to other knowledgeable people. > > > > Then I decide which problems I am going to work to solve. Then I think > > about the best way to solve them. Then I try to imagine all of the things > > that could wrong. Then I remember that no plan survives its first > > engagement with reality and that I have to get started experimenting. > > > > > > > > > > > You've helped me see some new possibilities for how we might > organize. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > Ok. How do you pronounce your fictitious name? I asked around, “Hey, how > do > > you pronounce Rogol’s fictitious name”? Everyone pronounced it > differently. > > Some had a hard g. Some had a soft one. Some placed emphasis on the first > > syllable. Some on the second. > > > > I couldn’t stop laughing. I said to them, “But he’s made up…. how can you > > be *so sure*?” > > > > It made me want a fictitious title for myself that no one could > pronounce. > > Perhaps that’s why my new title, which someone else came up with, sounded > > so fun to me: it’s a fictitious title that almost no one can pronounce. > For > > example, when I first said it to Guillaume, he winced at my > pronunciation. > > He tried not to. He really did. He put in a good faith effort. > > > > But that made me wonder, does Rogol even know how to pronounce his > > fictitious name? > > > > > > THE JD > > > > Chargé d’Affaires > > > > Collaboratively build a culture and organization for the future. > > > > - > > > > In partnership with the executive team, think and act in service of > > talent and culture needs for the future of our projects and movement > > (e.g., forecast future talent needs—individual and collective > > competencies). > > - > > > > Co-design (with Joady) the vision and execute a leading-edge, > > comprehensive talent management strategy. > > - > > > > Co-define and co-execute (with Joady) a coherent, inclusive philosophy > > across the employee lifecycle. > > - > > > > Champion our values, embed them throughout the employee lifecycle. > > - > > > > Champion special projects and ideas worthy of support. > > - > > > > Represent culture and organizational design at executive team. > > > > > > Collaboratively recruit high-level roles for the future: > > Board of Trustees, Endowment Board, executives, and special projects. > > > > > > Engage leaders in their own development: > > > > - > > > > Roll out a leadership framework, a central architecture of > > accountabilities at different levels of leadership throughout the > > organization, sync JDs. > > - > > > > Drive and evolve our cutting-edge leadership program. > > - > > > > Drive adoption of our leadership practices. > > - > > > > Develop, drive, and evolve manager training (hiring, orienting, > > performance management, development, succession planning). > > - > > > > Drive adoption of management practices. > > - > > > > Lead the people side of succession planning. > > - > > > > Manage and evolve cultural orientation. > > > > > > Be an ambassador (Charge d’Affaires) > > > > > > - > > > > Make WMF a creative, generative, well-regarded culture to work within. > > - > > > > Develop and represent the public profile of the Wikimedia Foundation > as > > an employer and culture leader, including writing, external > networking, > > and > > representing the foundation at public engagements. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it." - Margaret > > Fuller > > > > Anna Stillwell > > Chargée d’Affaires / VP > > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415.806.1536 > > *www.wikimediafoundation.org <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>* > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- "If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it." - Margaret Fuller Anna Stillwell Chargée d’Affaires / VP Wikimedia Foundation 415.806.1536 *www.wikimediafoundation.org <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
