This is typically the kind agressive behaviour we don't need right now. Everybody in the chapter knows that Marie-Alice Mathis and Rémi Mathis are wife and husband, it has always been clearly stated and we always refused to be at the board at the same time to avoid conflicts of interest.
Now what? Do you think I can't have opinions of my own because I'm not a member of the board, or she can't have because she's a manipulated woman? We are *two individuals* and we do have *two brains*. This kind of allegations are not acceptable and the smugness of "Nuff said" really hurtful! I am an ordinary member... but I think I have a certain experience of what's going on 1/ as a long-time member of the board (2009-2014) and chair (2011-2014), who hired most of the employees, managed them, organized a lot of what made Wikimedia France one of the biggest and most sucessful chapters... and a member still really involved in the life of the community 2/ as someone, yes, who sees her wife spending hours every night, trying to explain things to people who don't want to hear or understand. Like, you know, when you ask a question about a fact, I answer to you with a *checkable fact*. And you answer "I don't agree" (not even "it's not true", because everybody could check that, but "I don't agree")... I can't even understand why you post things like at all, but even less on an international list where people don't know what happens and, for most of them, can't read French. This really makes me sad and frustrated Rémi On 3 August 2017 at 12:47, Devouard (gmail) <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote: > And for the sake of proper understanding... Rémi Mathis is the husband of > the current vice-chair of Wikimedia France. > > Nuff said. > > > Florence > > > > Le 03/08/2017 à 12:17, Rémi Mathis a écrit : > >> Dear all, >> >> As a member - and former chair - of Wikimedia France, this kind of message >> really hurts my feelings and I still wonder why they can be posted on >> international mailing lists. >> We are supposed to act as responsible adults and work together so that the >> chapters can manage projects... and I keep thinking we are pretty good at >> it. >> >> I don't want to read "shame", "false statement", "use Louise passing", >> "uncollaborative way". >> Both because it's a very agressive way to talk to human beings, because >> it's misleading people about what's going on, and because it's simply not >> true. >> >> A few French wkipedians are not happy with the board and some of the >> employees. They are about 25-30% of Wikimedia France members and asked for >> a General Meeting - which will take place in September. >> Some of their concerns can be understood, but some of those wikipedians >> began to accuse the board of squandering money without any ground for it >> (there have been two audits within the past few years and all the >> accounts/expenses are audited yearly, published and commented to the >> members), to go and see former employee's bosses to stalk them, to spread >> rumours on their sexuality, to report members of the board to their own >> boss etc. This is going mad. Really mad. >> >> This is not "the community", Pierre-Selim, I'm sorry. >> This is a few people, for various reasons, usualy very personal and very >> bad ones. And those people refuse to acknowledge reality, even when the >> board explains everything, even when lawyers explains what can and cannot >> be done within a chapter. >> >> I'm really worried about the behaviour of those people, and the future of >> Wikimedia France - since the harassment could lead to prosecution from >> employees. >> >> Best, >> >> Rémi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Pierre-Selim <pierre-se...@huard.info> >>> Date: 2 August 2017 at 20:09 >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France >>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> >>> >>> The passing of Louise is really sad :( >>> >>> On the other fronts, Edouard it feels like you're not telling things the >>> way >>> they really are. >>> >>> "The board acknowledge..." means the board has been forced to a new AGM >>> by >>> 25% >>> of the member. Our bylaws dictate that. >>> >>> The board has published a shameful "Right of reply" [1], full of >>> inexact/false >>> statements that are on the same line than the email sent by the board >>> on July 11th (and shared here by Chris [2]). >>> This Right of reply even "use" Louise passing ... For shame! >>> >>> In an uncollaborative way, the board has not listen to the >>> community/member >>> for >>> the agenda which forces the members to a new vote [3] to add items to the >>> agenda >>> ... during the summer ... and Wikimania. >>> >>> I hope the board will have again to "Acknowlege" the voice of the >>> community, >>> but I wish we did not had to go this way. >>> >>> I am truly ashamed of this board, >>> >>> [1] https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/droitderep >>> onse.html >>> [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-July/ >>> 088008.html >>> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/ >>> Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l'ordre_du_jour >>> >>> 2017-07-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Yaroslav >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> probably me... >>>>> >>>>>> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> a >>>>>> >>>>> écrit >>> >>>> : >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by >>>>>> >>>>> someone >>>>> >>>>>> I can not recognize from the username. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Yaroslav >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher < >>>>>> >>>>> kma...@wikimedia.org >>> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. >>>>>>> >>>>>> While I >>> >>>> did >>>>> >>>>>> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have >>>>>>> >>>>>> gotten >>>>> >>>>>> along well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are >>>>>>> >>>>>> grateful >>>> >>>>> for >>>>> >>>>>> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have >>>>>>> >>>>>> benefited >>>>> >>>>>> greatly from her continued advocacy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can >>>>>>> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. >>>>>>> >>>>>> However, >>>>> >>>>>> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>> >>>>> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion >>>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>> >>>>> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or >>>>>>> >>>>>> challenges. >>>>> >>>>>> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize >>>>>>> >>>>>> her >>>> >>>>> passing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in >>>>>>> >>>>>> our >>> >>>> thoughts and that the community has our condolences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Katherine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life >>>>>>> >>>>>> from >>> >>>> her >>>>> >>>>>> article on French Wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> Louise_Merzeau >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma >>>>>>> >>>>>> ilman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >>>> , >>>> >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsu >>>>>>> >>>>>> bscribe> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>>> >>>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> >>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma >>>>>> >>>>> ilman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>>> >>> i/Wikimedia-l >>> >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pierre-Selim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
