Is the English Wikipedia the only Wikipedia which has problems with misogyny and under-representation of female editors and articles? I am relieved to hear that!
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > wrote: > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community? > > Jean-Philippe Béland > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < > list-wikime...@funcrunch.org> wrote: > > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine > > people like myself. > > > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread: > > > > > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points. > >> > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that > this > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not > >> mass-producing poor-quality content). > >> > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can > >> be > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of > poor > >> wording. > >> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@ > >> gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to > this > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with > her > >> email address. > >> > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is? > >> > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women > to a > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't > going > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch > of > >> stubs. > >> > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's > better > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I > shouldn't > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands." > >> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > >> > > > > - Pax aka Funcrunch > > > > > > > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > >> Is that still going on? > >> > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia. > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on > women > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them. > >> > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration of > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. The > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just > because > >> of what the subject happens to be. > >> > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all for > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this > >> thread. > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <wikigamal...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite? > >>> > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these > >>> issues. Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest > tones > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and > apologies > >>> are demanded. We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even > the > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying to > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat. > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing* > >>>> about > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is, incidentally, > >>>> one > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism. > >>>> > >>> > > -- > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | p...@funcrunch.org | http://funcrunch.org | Pronouns: > > they/them/their > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national > soutenant Wikipédia > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national chapter > supporting Wikipedia > 535 avenue Viger Est, Montréal (Québec) H2L 2P3,jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
