Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When someone edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate contents for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in such case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia, notably the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone create their first article and got deleted and when the page creator approached the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response they received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ", "count yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards, Isaac. On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" <osama...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" > Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons > > Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel > > ------ Original message------ > From: Robert Fernandez > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List; > Cc: > Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia > > Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, > organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English > Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone > can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and > relevant claim these days. > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking > to > > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We > used > > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest > > than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and > > oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion > > about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else > > uncomfortabe with this? > > -- > > Anthony Cole > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
