I want to add a caution about the idea of translating one article for all audiences. Even articles on some plants or animals will contain different information depending on their role in the communities of the speakers of a given language; how much more will articles about some politician or a religious custom vary depending on the presumed cultural context of the community of readers? Even sources vary according to the language of the project, with sources in the project language preferred for ease of verifiability. One of the strengths of multi-language Wikipedia is this very concept of a topic being presented in a fashion that is suitable to different communities of readers, and the language of the text is only one part of that.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:40 AM Leila Zia <le...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Denny, thanks for writing and rewriting this piece. I finally got a chance > to go through it end-to-end. Challenge accepted! :) > > Here are a few early thoughts, and I look forward to discussing it with you > and others further. > > * I tend to agree with you that the challenges of artificial intelligence > are a superset of the challenges of bringing to life the abstract > Wikipedia. Quite a few items you list in "Unique advantages" section make > the abstract-Wikipedia space more easily approachable. > > * I agree with you that if we are to take the content of Wikipedia to many > of the languages spoken in the world today, and engage their speakers to > share in, the current model won't work/scale (at least soon enough). > > * You've raised a great point about "Graceful degradation". A very nice > challenge. > > * In "Unique advantages" you talk about "a single genre of text, > encyclopedias" and I wonder what it takes to expand our thinking to include > images as well. Will we need to rethink your current construct? Including > images is attractive for at least two reasons: Because in terms of learning > people have different needs and we will likely need to (continue to) > include images as we create the abstractions, but also because one can > potentially think of images as representations that are already abstract. > > Best, > Leila > > -- > Leila Zia > Senior Research Scientist, Lead > Wikimedia Foundation > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:13 AM Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> > wrote: > > > an interesting concept indeed! > > > > dj > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:36 PM Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com > > <mailto:vrande...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The extended whitepaper that was presented at the DL workshop is now > > available here: > > > > http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia_whitepaper.pdf > > > > Still not a proper scientific paper (no references, notv situated in > > related work), but going into a bit more detail on the ideas on the first > > paper published previously. > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 11:32 Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com<mailto: > > vrande...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases > in > > > a way meant to be particularly amenable to the Web. Ontologies > formalize > > > the shared understanding of a domain. But the most expressive and > > > widespread languages that we know of are human natural languages, and > the > > > largest knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human > > > languages. > > > > > > We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation > > > languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We > > > propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to > collaborate > > > on closing it, make progress widely visible, and is highly attractive > and > > > valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia written in an abstract language > to > > > be rendered into any natural language on request. This would make > current > > > Wikipedia editors about 100x more productive, and increase the content > of > > > Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this will unlock knowledge they > > > currently do not have access to. > > > > > > My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00, > at > > > the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My > > second, > > > longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ, > October > > > 27-29. Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk. > > > > > > Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Denny > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto: > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto: > > wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________________________________ > > [http://crow.kozminski.edu.pl/minds.jpg]<http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl/> > > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak > > kierownik katedry MINDS (Management in Networked and Digital Societies) > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego > > http://NeRDS.kozminski.edu.pl <http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl/> > > > > > > > > > > Ostatnie artykuły: > > > > * Dariusz Jemielniak, Maciej Wilamowski (2017) Cultural Diversity of > > Quality of Information on Wikipedias< > > http://crow.kozminski.edu.pl/papers/cultures%20of%20wikipedias.pdf> > > Journal of the Association for Information Science and Technology 68: > 10. > > 2460–2470. > > * Dariusz Jemielniak (2016) Wikimedia Movement Governance: The > Limits > > of A-Hierarchical Organization< > > http://www.crow.kozminski.edu.pl/papers/wikimedia_governance.pdf> > Journal > > of Organizational Change Management 29: 3. 361-378. > > * Dariusz Jemielniak, Eduard Aibar (2016) Bridging the Gap Between > > Wikipedia and Academia< > > http://www.crow.kozminski.edu.pl/papers/bridging.pdf> Journal of the > > Association for Information Science and Technology 67: 7. 1773-1776. > > * Dariusz Jemielniak (2016) Breaking the Glass Ceiling on Wikipedia< > > http://www.crow.kozminski.edu.pl/papers/glass-ceiling.pdf> Feminist > > Review 113: 1. 103-108. > > * Tadeusz Chełkowski, Peter Gloor, Dariusz Jemielniak (2016) > > Inequalities in Open Source Software Development: Analysis of > Contributor’s > > Commits in Apache Software Foundation Projects< > > > http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/asset?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0152976.PDF > >, > > PLoS ONE 11: 4. e0152976. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
