@Benjamin: I tried to put it into words, but I have realized that what I have to say doesn't fit well into a short text. If you are really interested, send me an email with your availability and we can have a video call about it.
@Chris: Thanks for the recommendation, but I don't feel like pasting it there without proper context, and it is not my priority right now. If you or any of them want more details they can contact me any time. Regards, Micru On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:08 PM Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Micru, > > How about documenting your insights on here. I know a number of people in > the Roles & Responsibilities group have been reading with interest, thank > you very much for sharing. > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Roles_%26_Responsibilities > > Chris > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:23 PM David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > @Benjamin: It is already there, as answer to Farkhad. > > > > @Ziko: I have no idea where to store this. If you find a suitable place, > > please go ahead and let me know. > > > > Regards, > > Micru > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 3:11 PM Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Hello, maybe there is a suitable place on Meta Wiki to conserve this? > > Later > > > it will be a little bit difficult to find it again on a mailinglist. > > > I myself find this point of view of "outsiders" very interesting and > > worth > > > to notice e.g. in strategic discussions. > > > Kind regards > > > Ziko > > > > > > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb David Cuenca Tudela < > > > dacu...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hi Bodhisattwa, > > > > > > > > > > > > *Governance recommendation * > > > > I assisted to a session on sociocracy organized by the Transition > > Network > > > > that basically blew my mind. The speaker explained how for her it has > > > been > > > > always difficult to participate in decision-making because she feels > > that > > > > she is a very vocal person, and she felt that with democracy it was > > > mostly > > > > about taking sides and wining or losing, which was quite > disappointing > > > for > > > > her. Then she started to explain the sociocratic principles of > decision > > > by > > > > consent, and what does that mean. > > > > > > > > What is interesting about sociocracy itself, is not the process or > the > > > > method, but how it challenges the participants to truly understand > the > > > > meaning of a decision, and their own relationship with it. Objections > > are > > > > seen as a gift that will help improve the proposal, once they have > been > > > > properly understood. Normally it takes effort from the participants > to > > > > address their own personal issues as well, because they have an > impact > > on > > > > how the group can operate. > > > > > > > > Trust can be built during in person sessions, and it is necessary for > > the > > > > group to operate smoothly. Sociocracy is not for people who like to > > > > accumulate power, or are not able to share power with others, and > that > > > can > > > > drive people away. On the other hand, those who stay feel more > included > > > and > > > > supported by the organisation. There is also an element of > celebration, > > > > which sometimes we forget. Taking decisions is hard work, and we > should > > > > celebrate when we reach one. > > > > > > > > Sociocracy it is easy to grasp, but difficult to master. The members > of > > > the > > > > Transition Network had to undergo a training during a long time at > the > > > > Université de Nous, to become proficient in this method. There is > also > > a > > > > software that assists self-organization: https://www.holaspirit.com/ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Micru > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:45 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < > > > > bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Micru, > > > > > > > > > > I am interested about your thoughts about governance recommendation > > for > > > > the > > > > > movement and community model of affiliates. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Bodhisattwa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 12:14 Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin < > > > > > f...@yandex.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Micru, > > > > > > I would be interested to learn about "External perception of the > > > > > > movement".part of your insights. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > from Russia with love, > > > > > > farhad > > > > > > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ > > > Тел.+79274158066 > > > > / > > > > > > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / WMRU: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18.02.2019, 02:35, "David Cuenca Tudela" <dacu...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last Friday I participated in a workshop in Brussels where > people > > > > from > > > > > > > different NGOs met to learn from each other to foster flat, > > > > > > > democratic, and diverse organisations. I was one of four > speakers > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > "world cafe" format (basically a circle where participants can > > > > > > > interact with the speaker). I represented the Wikimedia > movement > > in > > > > > > > general, with the intention that participants would learn from > > our > > > > > > > movement, and so that I would learn from them. There were also > > Open > > > > > > > Space sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is interest, I can share with you my insights on any > of > > > > these > > > > > > topics: > > > > > > > - External perception of the movement > > > > > > > - Recommendations to the WMF > > > > > > > - Governance recommendations for the movement > > > > > > > - Community model for affiliates > > > > > > > - How to increase diversity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a lot to say about each topic, so please ask only > about > > > the > > > > > > > topic you have genuine interest in. If there is no interest, > I'm > > ok > > > > > > > keeping it to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Micru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
