În joi, 21 feb. 2019 la 16:59, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <it...@wikimedia.org.il> a scris: > > No, you aren't missing anything. The timeline is strange. > > As Antanana wrote, *"The conversation about how User Groups may participate > in this process has been on for years, it is not a new topic [4]." * > So if it isn't a new proposal, why the board jumped to do this change so > close to the election instead of a year or so before? > On the other hand, if this issue is old enough, so why do the change now, > instead of holding the elections and then conduct (without pressure) a REAL > discussion and DEEP thinking about how to involve UGs while maintaining > equal elections.
Actually, the timeline (give or take a couple of weeks) seems quite well chosen to force a timely discussion. Realistically speaking, if a wiki-discussion has lagged for years, it would have also lagged until the next round of elections, in 3 years. Also, having a solution in place for the current election does not prevent another round of discussions afterwards, based on the then-existing experience. I understand that the chapters have concerns regarding their ability to have a say in the board, but the fact that there has been a lack in new chapters in recent years has given them an unfair advantage over other organizations in the ecosystem. Most of the objections on the talk page focused on how the UGs will double vote, skew the elections etc. without considering that many user groups have established internal policies and decision-taking procedures on par with smaller chapters. I urge all of the chapter representatives to give up the fearmongering and work with the interested parties to make this dialogue a showcase of openness and collaboration "à la Wikimedia". Strainu (for himself) > > > > *Itzik Edri* > Chairperson > it...@wikimedia.org.il > +972-54-5878078 > > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:01 PM effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > As for process.. While I appreciate that this time, the change was at least > > announced before the vote, and that some board members at least engaged in > > some conversation - I have yet to see how this was taken into consideration > > by the board as a whole. It feels like the board already made up its mind. > > > > What is surprising me most, is that it took a month for this announcement > > to be made - especially considering a time sensitive process being impacted > > by this decision. Or did I miss a more timely announcement elsewhere? > > > > Best, > > Lodewijk > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:19 AM Santiago Navarro < > > santiagonava...@wikimedia.es> wrote: > > > > > In fact, I did not participate in the discussion page on meta about > > > that, because I guessed that my opinion would not be taken in account, > > > neither discussed, and now it seems that, sadly, I was right in that > > > thought. > > > > > > El 2019-02-19 17:25, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel escribió: > > > > Antanana and the board, > > > > > > > > I find it sad and disappointing that after such a long conversation on > > > > the > > > > talk page, there wasn't any comment on the talk page or in this > > > > statement > > > > about the problem of double voting by many UG's members. Did the board > > > > even > > > > discuss that or we just wasted our time giving feedback on it? > > > > > > > > Ensuring equality in voting is the basis for every democracy and is > > > > trampled here completely without any comment from the board about how > > > > to > > > > ensure it. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Itzik Edri* > > > > Chairperson > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il > > > > +972-54-5878078 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:18 PM Nataliia Tymkiv <ntym...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello all! > > > >> > > > >> The Wikimedia Foundation Board has unanimously approved the changes to > > > >> the > > > >> Bylaws [1] during the last Board meeting on January 30, 2019. This > > > >> will be > > > >> covered in the minutes, and the resolution will be published in short > > > >> order. > > > >> > > > >> This change allows the participation of User Groups [2] in the > > > >> Affiliate-selected Board seats (ASBS) 2019 process [3]. The > > > >> discussion > > > >> about this process should start as soon as possible in order to have > > > >> these > > > >> two seats selected by Wikimania. This is why we are sending this > > > >> letter > > > >> now, before the resolution is published. > > > >> > > > >> There are now over 100 recognized User Groups, covering over 50 > > > >> countries, > > > >> several languages and topics, many of whom represent new and emergent > > > >> communities within the Wikimedia movement. The Board believes that the > > > >> added perspectives of the User Groups, combined with the voices of > > > >> Chapters > > > >> and Thematic Organizations, will lead to a richer collection of > > > >> guidance > > > >> for our movement. The conversation about how User Groups may > > > >> participate in > > > >> this process has been on for years, it is not a new topic [4]. > > > >> > > > >> Once the facilitators of the Selection process are appointed by the > > > >> affiliates, they should work with María Sefidari, who has been chosen > > > >> by > > > >> the Board as the Board liaison for the ASBS process. > > > >> > > > >> Given the potential complexity of organizing a process that now will > > > >> include over a hundred user groups, the Wikimedia Foundation is > > > >> offering > > > >> its support to set up infrastructure and help with communications if > > > >> requested by the affiliates. > > > >> > > > >> A page for translation can be found at: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Wikimedia_Foundation_Bylaws_changed_plus_next_steps > > > >> > > > >> On behalf of the Board > > > >> > > > >> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv > > > >> > > > >> Chair of the Board Governance Committee > > > >> > > > >> [1] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws/December_2018_-_Affiliate-selected_trustees,_term_limits,_and_diversity > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [3] > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [4] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws/January_2014_-_Amendment_for_Trustees_selected_by_Chapters_and_Thematic_Organizations > > > >> > > > >> *NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal > > > >> working > > > >> hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. > > > >> You > > > >> should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. 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