To quote what you said > > I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by > > OTRS.
This is not about previous publishing, this is about the person publishing a photo. Problems with previous publishing is not special in any way for professional photographers vs amateur photographers. If a photo is previously published it _may_ be an indication of a copyvio, but it can also clarify the matter as the previous published photo may carry a byline stating the name of the photographer. On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:44 AM Yann Forget <yan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The issue is not in that way. > If you published an image exclusively on Commons, then no problem. > If you first publish an image outside Commons, how do we know that you are > the author? > OK, there may be some factors to prove that (consistency of EXIF data, > etc.), but in the absence of EXIF data, we the issue remain. > > Regards, > Yann > Jai Jagat 2020 Grand March Coordinator > https://www.jaijagat2020.org/ > +91-74 34 93 33 58 (also WhatsApp) > > > > Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 10:00, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > Again; what is different between me as a photographer taking pictures for a > > newspaper and me as a photograper taking pictures for Commons? Is it the > > name written om the lens? The shoes I'm wearing? > > > > There are no difference, this is a fallacy. > > > > John Erling Blad > > /jeblad > > > > > > tir. 14. mai 2019, 05.50 skrev Yann Forget <yan...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was previously > > > published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons. > > > I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by > > > OTRS. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Yann Forget > > > Jai Jagat 2020 Grand March Coordinator > > > https://www.jaijagat2020.org/ > > > +91-74 34 93 33 58 (also WhatsApp) > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lun. 13 mai 2019 à 16:56, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > I can imagine a bot comparing photos found by Google (ie. comparing > > > > hashes) but not a system extracting some kind of unique feature that > > > > says an image is a copyright violation. So how do you imagine ORES > > > > being used for copyright violations? I can't see how a copyright > > > > violation would have any kind of feature that is exclusive? The > > > > argument is quite simple; I as a photographer for a newspaper could > > > > take the exact same pictures as I as an amateur photographer. (I have > > > > photographed a lot for various newspapers.) Using the same equipment, > > > > and me being me, what is different? > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:21 PM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support > > > for > > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the > > > > amount of > > > > > > material it has to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta < > > > > benjaminik...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or > > > capable > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several > > > > > > GLAM-related > > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing > > > > what it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can > > > > create a > > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with > > > > Common's > > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote > > you > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do > > > something > > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright > > violating > > > > > > files a > > > > > > > > day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to > > cope > > > > with > > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after > > some > > > > time - > > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the > > > other > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - > > screening > > > > > > uploads > > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the > > Commons > > > > > > > components > > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a > > > > highly > > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the > > > > Education > > > > > > > >> Newsletter > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach > > > > project > > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on > > > > Commons > > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student > > > > projects > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. 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