George, There are five things that I claimed the Foundation has and the volunteers do not: responsibility to support the community, and the time, the expertise, the money and the people to do so. So that's ten assertions. You claim that some of those are unwarranted. There are over a thousand possible interpretations of your claim. In the interests of a productive discussion, would you like to be more precise about which assertions you think might be incorrect, please?
Thrapostibongles On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:22 AM George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think that you are making a number of assertions about the community, > individuals, the Foundation, and the power and roles and responsibilities > that aren't warranted. > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:15 AM Mister Thrapostibongles < > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Frankly, I'm surprised by how surprised everyone is. The Foundation has > > the responsibility to support the community, and the time, the expertise, > > the money and the people to do so. Individual volunteers, however > > well-meaning, do not. The Foundation has determined that in this > > particular case the community;s own processes were unable to provide the > > support that the community needed, and so the Foundation has acted to do > > so, as you would expect. > > > > Thrapostibongles > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:26 AM Techman224 <techman...@techman224.ca> > > wrote: > > > > > Forwarding to WIkimedia-l since WikiEN-l is relatively dead. > > > > > > Since this message, an Arbcom member (SilkTork) stated that they > weren't > > > consulted, nor did this action was the result of Arbcom forwarding a > > > concern to the office. [1] > > > > > > The only non-response excuse from the WMF [2] was that "local > communities > > > consistently struggle to uphold not just their own autonomous rules but > > the > > > Terms of Use, too.” even though there were no complaints on-wiki nor to > > > Arbcom privately. > > > > > > The on-wiki discussion is taking place at the Bureaucrats and the > Arbcom > > > noticeboards. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office > > > < > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Request_for_ArbCom_to_comment_publicly_on_Fram's_ban > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=901300528 > > > < > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=901300528 > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Statement_from_the_WMF_Trust_&_Safety_Team > > > > > > Techman224 > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > From: George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> > > > > Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block > > > > Date: June 10, 2019 at 8:54:34 PM CDT > > > > To: English Wikipedia <wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > > > > In case you're not following on-wiki - Office S&T blocked English > > > Wikipedia > > > > user / administrator Fram for a year and desysopped, for unspecified > > > > reasons in the Office purview. There was a brief statement here from > > > > Office regarding it which gave no details other than that normal > policy > > > and > > > > procedures for Office actions were followed, which under normal > > > > circumstances preclude public comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office > > > > > > > > Several people on Arbcom and board have commented they're making > > private > > > > inquiries under normal reporting and communication channels, due to > the > > > > oddity and essentially uniqueness of the action. > > > > > > > > There was an initial surge of dismay which has mellowed IMHO into > "Ok, > > > > responsible people following up". > > > > > > > > I understand the sensitivity of some of the topics under Office > > actions, > > > > having done OTRS and other various had-to-stay-private stuff myself > at > > > > times in the past. A high profile investigation target is most > unusual > > > but > > > > not unheard of. > > > > > > > > I did send email to Fram earlier today asking if they had any public > > > > comment, no reply as yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -george william herbert > > > > george.herb...@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > > > wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > -george william herbert > george.herb...@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
