Anne/Risker: > I've never been convinced that including a mixture of required, forbidden, > and aspirational standards all in one document is a good idea, and I > personally struggle to see how including essentially unenforceable aspects of > the UCoC will do anything other than weaken the effectiveness of rest of the > document.
Dear Risker, This is exactly my concern about the UCoC. Thank you for your words, which, as usually, point to the essence of the subject. Someone who tries to achieve too much, will finally achieve nothing. In parts, the document reads like the job description for a paid social media manager, not like a basic guideline for volunteers who decide themselves how much time they want or can to invest in their hobby. On the other hand, I do agree that the owner of a wiki has a responsibility to provide basic rules, and I do regret that the global community did not create such a code itself. It did not happen in ... 20 years! We will see how this all will turn out in practice. Even if you can, theoretically, get banned for not helping a (problematic) newbie, we hope that the enforcers will know how to wisely use the new instrument. The acceptance within the community will depend more on that than on the exact content or wording. Kind regards Ziko Am Mi., 3. Feb. 2021 um 03:34 Uhr schrieb Risker <risker...@gmail.com>: > > While I often agree with you, Yair Rand, in this case I think you're > mistaken. Aside from the long-ago "community vote" on licensing (which was > pretty much required based on the prior licensing scheme), every > Wikimedia-wide policy has been authorized by the WMF Board of Trustees. That > includes the terms of use and the privacy policy. As the technical owners of > the infrastructure, the WMF Board does have the right (if not the > responsibility) to identify the manner in which the websites it supports and > hosts can be used, and I think this principle is actually pretty widely held, > at least in the abstract (i.e., hosting organizations can and should apply > standards on the services they host). In every policy-related case that I > have reviewed going back to the very earliest days, there has been at least > some level of community discussion, and there have always been detractors of > every policy the Board has approved; that has not made the policies either > invalid or unworkable. > > I've never been convinced that including a mixture of required, forbidden, > and aspirational standards all in one document is a good idea, and I > personally struggle to see how including essentially unenforceable aspects of > the UCoC will do anything other than weaken the effectiveness of rest of the > document. For example, I cannot imagine anyone being sanctioned in any way > for "failure to thank" or "failure to mentor", although both of these are > considered expectations in the "Civility" section; and one thing that a > Uniform Code of Conduct would logically have is a uniform enforcement scheme. > > Nonetheless, I do believe that it is within the Board's scope and > responsibility to approve this and other global policies designed to protect > the WMF, the projects, the users of the websites, and the content > managers/editors/etc (what we often call "the community"). > > Risker/Anne > > > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 17:28, Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The community has not approved the WMF's UCoC. It is not a Wikimedia policy, >> it is not binding, it has no authority. The WMF does not control the >> Wikimedia projects, and has no jurisdiction in this area. >> >> The community rejected this over and over again. It is harmful that the >> Board is pretending they can do this unilaterally. >> >> -- Yair Rand >> >> בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-6:59 מאת María Sefidari >> <ma...@wikimedia.org>: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has unanimously approved >>> a Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia projects and movement.[1] A >>> Universal Code of Conduct was one of the final recommendations of the >>> Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year, participatory community >>> effort to define the future of our movement. The final Universal Code of >>> Conduct seeks to address disparities in conduct policies across our >>> hundreds of projects and communities, by creating a binding minimum set of >>> standards for conduct on the Wikimedia projects that directly address many >>> of the challenges that contributors face. >>> >>> The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with >>> these challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the >>> world have participated in conversations and consultations to help build >>> this code collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages, >>> surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of >>> volunteers and staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant >>> investment of time and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint >>> staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after reviewing input >>> collected from community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the >>> dedication of the Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in >>> getting us to this phase. >>> >>> This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here, the >>> Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce this >>> code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions on >>> how you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code. Over >>> the next few months, they will be facilitating consultation discussions in >>> many local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to support a new >>> volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways. For more >>> information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in this next >>> phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on Meta.[2] >>> >>> The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our >>> vision of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all >>> knowledge. Together, we have built something extraordinary. 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