This is problematic at very many levels: * Are we policing intent or actual wrongdoing -- i.e. bias in actual edits? * Is there something wrong in me aspiring for some political entity (which doesn't exist currently) or does it become wrong only when my bias actually shows in my editing? * If the former case, isn't this some form of Thought Policing? * Should we also not ban all forms of affiliations to religion, nationality, gender (her/his/its) or race and skin colour, as these also reflect some or the other bias? * Someone said slavery is against human rights. Well, I don't think this was always the situation, and that was precisely my point. Human standards keep changing.... It was a perfectly fine business at one point of time, as was selling opium to China. * Well, nobody would object to "Free Tibet", because that is seen as a politically correct cause in today's unipolar world. If the Chinese were at the helm of a unipolar world, I'm sure we would all be thinking differently. Especially me! Let's keep some space for diversity, please. As some person said, let a thousand flowers bloom! FN PS: Above all, those who want to whisper into our ears as to what's wrong with this user or his/her actions, can't we have this discussion under the glare of public scrutiny and accountability?
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user > page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so > expressing a political opinion on a user page could be considered a > declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57 > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag > > > > Just seeking clarity: > > Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage? > > A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political > history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's > standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal. > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 18:56, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag > > I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user > page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what > their edits in the articles are. > > I do not think there is a universal answer to this question. > > Yaroslav > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE > TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable > editors. > > In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we > all look upto but can never trully achieve. > > Best > Satdeep > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > > The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user > page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so > expressing a political opinion on a user page could be considered a > declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57 > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag > > > > Just seeking clarity: > > Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage? > > A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political > history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's > standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal. > > Can't this be discussed in the public domain? > > FN > > > > On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl <gkalk...@freenet.de> wrote: > > Dear 4nn1|2, > > Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write > that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a > statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the > Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file > on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise > in your accusations. > > Thank you, > Gereon > > Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani: > > If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private > message and I can explain better. > > > > Best > > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Wikimedians, > > > > Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense > adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my > userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you > need to see a previous revision of my userpage). > > > > > https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672 > > > > Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons! > > > > I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed. > They block users for the most friviolous reasons. > > > > What does this mean? > > > > Yours faithfully, > > User:4nn1l2 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/QKGG6JWW5S4SI4Q5XN5ZUXG5FPE5JOKE/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > > Amir (he/him) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/TCKQO6QDYJJGGJUYG623C7KRQHQPIUVQ/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/UAHL5ZUAFLXOFFWLSIUXHIK5UHWRIB2N/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > -- > > > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > _/ FN * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا +91-9822122436 > > _/ See a different Goa here, via > > _/ https://youtube.com/c/frederickfnnoronha > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WDBOEJIAM4T72JYZQ2VFBHEP4FGAGEAY/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GMKDLBKVCUB6KBDF2KITV7JJWFAHL3XT/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4FUBLAJAHLUDH4LC4UKYJH7T4Q2S6PGV/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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