Hello Maggie, hello all, If you can communicate on the subject, when was your team first made aware of the situation ? Trying to figure out how long this has lasted. And were affected users (by which I mean users who had their emails and passwords reset) ultimately able to recover their accounts ? Or will they be ?
Thank you for letting us know of the issue. Roger / Alphos > Le 14 sept. 2021 à 10:48, William Chan <will...@wchan.hk> a écrit : > > Hi Andres, > > I am not Maggie (definitely here) but as far as I know, some members from the > zhwp are also affected. If I am correct, it is their email being removed and > password got reset. > > William > > > On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 16:45, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com > <mailto:jayen...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi Maggie, > > Thanks for your post; I have two questions. > > 1. What is the status of Mardetanha, the Iranian steward and past (even very > recent) author of Wikimedia blog posts (which link his real name to his user > name)?[1][2] > > Judging by https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21964430 > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21964430> where he says, using > his alt account, > > Yes, we are all locked until "voluntarily" resign to get back our account > back [[User:Mard|Mard]] ([[User talk:Mard|talk]]) 12:06, 1 September 2021 > (UTC) > > his account must be locked. But I can't find any recent actions related to > his account in the public logs on Meta.[3] What am I missing? > > 2. Speaking of project capture, the Kazakh Wikipedia was captured by state > actors almost a decade ago (with the Foundation's blessing at the time, and > public regrets later[4]). > > Are there any functionaries in Kazakhstan that will be impacted by these > changes? > > Andreas > > [1] https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/mohsen-salek/ > <https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/mohsen-salek/> > [2] > https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/persian-wikipedia-independent-source-or-tool-iranian-state/ > > <https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/persian-wikipedia-independent-source-or-tool-iranian-state/> > [3] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AMardetanha&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AMardetanha&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers> > [4] > https://eurasianet.org/wikipedia-founder-distances-himself-from-kazakhstan-pr-machine > > <https://eurasianet.org/wikipedia-founder-distances-himself-from-kazakhstan-pr-machine> > > On Monday, September 13, 2021, Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:mden...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > Hi, again. > > I just realized I failed to answer one of the questions. I'm sorry; it's > rather late in my day, and I didn't mean to overlook it. In addition to what > was noted earlier, I believe it was 12 other users who were contacted and > asked to adjust their behavior to work within community policies, especially > regarding "canvassing" and good faith collaboration with other users. > > Best, > Maggie > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:21 PM Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:mden...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > Hello, all. > > First, our apologies for the translation. We had hoped to provide this > service to make it easier for our Chinese language communities, but clearly > it didn't work out as we had hoped. I'm enormously grateful to say that a > Chinese translation is now available on Meta: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions/September_2021_statement/zh > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions/September_2021_statement/zh> > <3 We are actively seeking to increase our capacity in Chinese and several > other languages, and I hope some people will apply! > https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/3374682?gh_src=b62d5dae1us > <https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/3374682?gh_src=b62d5dae1us> > > With respect to the NDA policy change, this was indeed very obliquely > addressed on September 1st here > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy#Answers_to_some_questions_around_policy_change>,[1] > at which point we felt the need to be very oblique in our response because > we were still actively attempting to communicate with all users impacted. We > knew, of course, that experienced Wikimedians would be able to connect the > dots but were hoping to avoid attracting external attention by bad actors > that might put some of these people in danger. Not being a lawyer, I'm still > a little nervous about saying the wrong thing (my teams were more involved in > implementing than directing that policy change), but it's probably obvious to > everyone by now that you have correctly named the immediate jurisdictions of > concern. > > I do want to say, though, that the policy was written to address a challenge > which is likely to be ongoing: we are not just in danger of infiltration, but > of attack through the extortion or potentially persecution of publicly > identifiable people with access to personal information. The intention is not > to shut down access to everyone in every such jurisdiction who has ever > blocked Wikimedia sites, but to flag for the Foundation's legal department > the need to review in such cases. Because of that, depending on the current > risks of which we are aware, the list of impacted jurisdictions may change. I > would hope that people will not hesitate to apply; rejection of a signed NDA > in such cases is by no means a personal judgment and may be a step taken to > protect not only our communities, but those users themselves and those they > love. > > Best, > Maggie > > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy#Answers_to_some_questions_around_policy_change > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy#Answers_to_some_questions_around_policy_change> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com > <mailto:effeietsand...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Maggie, for the announcement. It's a sad day, and I'm sure there > were many sad actions that resulted in this. > > Two questions from my end: > * Could you commit to making a better translation available (through > community processes or otherwise) for the record? I think this decision may > be referred to quite a bit in the future, so it's valuable to have an > accurate translation available to the Chinese community. > * What countries are affected currently by the NDA decision > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_information&diff=prev&oldid=21925066&diffmode=source>? > It is suggested that China and Iran are, but I can't find an authoritative > list (but may be looking at the wrong place). This would be helpful for > volunteers from countries that are wondering if they should even bother to > apply for positions. The definition "blocked access" is a bit fluid. I'm > assuming here that the fact that a country is on this list, is not a secret > in itself. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 11:06 AM William Chan <will...@wchan.hk > <mailto:will...@wchan.hk>> wrote: > Hi Leo, > > I think that this is a Google Translation product. But yes, it is in such bad > shape where even Chinese natives can barely read. But I acknowledge the fact > that the urgency and secrecy of the matter made consulting external parties, > to the extent, even contractors working for WMF, impossible. > > To Maggie, > > May I ask if there is a certain number for the amount of users linked with > the unrecognized user group being warned? There is no request for the list of > users, just the number would be fine. The Wikipedia communities in Hong Kong > need to access the total damage dealt to the user group who had persistently > engaged in activities harassing the safety of Hong Kong Users. > > Regards, > William Chan > > > On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 01:58, Leo Z <l...@asianmonth.wiki> wrote: > Hi Maggie, > > Thanks for the prompt response. I do not know who those ‘native speakers’ > are, perhaps that’s just a way to avoid providing language proficiency > certificate. I do not know. Google translation might even do better. > > I am more than certain that this translation is not just faulty or > unsatisfactory, but terrible if not horrifying, disastrous, or outright > shocking for an acclaimed international organization. The issue for this > specific translation is not with 'movement-specific' terms, but a significant > lack of elementary understanding regarding the fundamental grammatical > structure of the Chinese language. I will refrain from listing specific > examples here (there are plenty), but those mistakes are hilarious, if not > outright absurd. Whoever translated this text might barely pass an AP Chinese > exam. > > Please consult a professor in Chinese language at Berkeley or CCSF or even > just a language school, or perhaps consult someone from ChinaSF, maybe even a > Chinese speaking professional from HSBC or wherever. There are plenty, if you > feel it’s necessary. I’m more than certain they will offer similar opinions. > > Sincere hope for a better translation, > Leo > On Sep 14, 2021, 1:17 AM +0800, Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:mden...@wikimedia.org>>, wrote: >> Hello, all. >> >> A few responses. >> >> First, Nathan and William, we will share as much information as we can, but >> will need to be careful about what we say about the individuals involved for >> legal and safety reasons. This is indeed related to increasing resilience >> across Wikipedias and not at all specifically for ZhWP. I do think it's >> important for us to offer some additional support there, given the current >> situation, but we are looking at increasing safety everywhere. >> >> Leo, thank you for your feedback on the translation, which was provided by >> native Chinese speakers. Since I myself am completely unable to read >> Chinese, I don't know the nature of the issue, but I do know that in the >> past we have had some issues with movement-specific terms being translated. >> I recall once when "free in speech" was mistranslated as "free as in beer" - >> which we always deliberately try to avoid. :) >> >> Best, >> Maggie >> >> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:45 PM Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com >> <mailto:nawr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Maggie, >> >> Thank you for taking these very difficult actions to protect both the >> members of our community as well as the values that it seeks to uphold. I >> also appreciate the degree of transparency provided and hope that more >> information will be disclosed as it is appropriate. I imagine questions will >> be asked about how these individual accounts were selected for office >> actions and the contours of the risk both to the individuals behind these >> accounts and the wider community. Any information that the WMF is able to >> safely share will help all of us understand better what the threats are and >> how we may better support the movement's goals in jurisdictions where our >> values are not respected. >> >> Thank you again, >> Nathan >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VOHDBMA7WWDK6TMTDZNN6B6XX7AL5J4G/ >> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VOHDBMA7WWDK6TMTDZNN6B6XX7AL5J4G/> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> 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