Also children are individuals, just like adults. There's vastly different levels of maturity and interest and that shouldn't be limited based on your age, outside of extreme situations that are actually relevant to age. 12 year old me would've felt very patronized by something like this. I also don't like the potential implications, because this could go the route of removing content that any parent finds objectionable from being accessible. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and part of the reason I lost my faith was being able to find information about other perspectives (e.g. LGBT+ rights, atheism, blood transfusions, etc).
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and > also what level of understanding/adulthood. > > I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply > especially between different countries with very different education > systems. > > A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very > different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents > of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be > thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in > London. > > In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is > the answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content? > > Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use > of jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia > should be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have > similar issues. Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it > easier for those who wish to create childrens' versions. > > Regards > > WSC > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 13:03, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Small joyy: Txikipedia of the da(Neurodivergent Netizen) > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:13:33 -0700 >> From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Message-ID: <8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="Apple-Mail=_9EEB7F4B-E2E5-42FB-AED5-C7C07107CEF2" >> >> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). >> >> And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply >> because of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia. >> >> > The document is not really public yet. :-) >> >> I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-) >> >> From, >> I dream of horses >> She/her >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how >> > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a >> > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) >> > Kind regards >> > Ziko >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon >> > >> > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour >> > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> >> >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere >> that could potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that >> America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks >> when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids >> are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not >> worth the extra effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff >> so you can have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the >> background checks and identity verification needed. None of that are >> obstacles that aren’t in the way of kids editing the existing projects. >> >> >> >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite >> quickly. >> >> >> >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest >> hurdle, yet the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is >> another one, and moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps >> overly aware, of the potential safety risks when children are involved in >> websites" (and I would also say that "America" weight more the right of >> parents to control what is taught to their children and less the right of >> the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld by the >> Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate - >> compared to other countries). >> >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters >> >> >> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). >> >> >> >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of >> people for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed >> on this blog post : >> >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation >> >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ >> >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside >> their closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the >> same if a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal >> educators either to write the articles, to design the project or to manage >> the community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki >> encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. >> >> >> >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and >> subpages : >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids >> >> >> >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 >> >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com> >> >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >> >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any >> extra step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even >> if you are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and >> they can find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, >> nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were >> not intended for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from >> children, so providing them a better place, thought for them (as our >> strategic direction says) is better that not providing at all. >> >> >> >> I can only agree! >> >> >> >> >> >> Mathias Damour >> >> [[User:Astirmays]] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/html >> Size: 7679 bytes >> Desc: not available >> >> ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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