The production people I work with at ABC Open maybe persuaded to do the videos for us, they already have the reach we'd need...
On 21 July 2013 13:18, Tony Souter <to...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Someone mentioned the social aspect of face-to-face edit training vs > professionally produced training videos. Face-to-face can be an important > aspect, but will always be limited in scope and relatively expensive (as > Craig has pointed out, especially for a country like Australia). > > There are two limitations in scope for face-to-face training, I think: the > sheer volume of skills, dimensions to WP editing, that we'd like to get > across – when there's only so much you can fit into a single session, or > even multiple sessions; and (2) the fact that WMF sites need numbers ... * > lots* of new editors, more than we can pump out in occasional room-based > events. And looking at Australian-related articles, we need *lots* of new > Australian editors. And it would be nice to reach out to people in > Australian regions, and the Asia-Pacific (in English), whom we just > couldn't possibly involve in face-to-face training. > > The trainer in me is also aware that conveying skills and knowledge in > more than one mode is often very reinforcing for recipients – face-to-face > *and* online vid *and* even online/skype mentoring? BTW, WMAU > face-to-face sessions in a number of cities are going to be funded by the > Australian Research Council as part of the Linkage project on disability in > sport (John Vandenberg is organising, I believe). > > As for specifically Australian content/angles, they're not essential: just > showing the way generically for the rest of the WM movement would be a good > thing to do. > > T > > > > > > On 21/07/2013, at 3:03 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote: > > ** ** > > Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff > I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more > available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia > site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all > broken links.**** > > ** ** > > Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was > perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor > “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about > referencing key Austrlian resources)**** > > ** ** > > Kerry**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM > *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com > *Cc:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and > the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG**** > > ** ** > > Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not > hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the > suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an > Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to > create videos about ****Australia**** related projects and interest > groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a > video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel > outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.**** > > On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:*** > * > > In **** > > **** > > http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal<http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal> > **** > > **** > > Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or > to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s > enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging > fruit” projects. **** > > **** > > Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit > problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we > know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain > attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training > (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice > project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into > instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially > reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200 > people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be > absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is > much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit > training.**** > > **** > > Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian > WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like > to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives). > Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional > videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t > know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel > costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for > making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and > perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.**** > > **** > > So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or > higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of > infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world > (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).** > ** > > **** > > Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem > in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the > visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop > materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of > videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return > model of what we do.**** > > **** > > Kerry**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l**** > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > **** > > > *___________________* > *Tony Souter* > **Fixed-line phone: +612 42633401 > *Mobile: 0450 717627 (+61450 717627), but usually not switched on > *Skype: tonysouter > *Street address: 1/29 Tarrant Ave, Kiama Downs 2533, Australia* > > > > > > > > > > -- GN. Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Gn. Blogg: http://gnangarra.wordpress.com
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