as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines, audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758)
On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon, > > In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any > responses you have too!) > > The general gist, if I can put it this way, is "the current cite code is > working, don't fix it until it's broken". Which is good to hear :-) This > answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question > no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search > results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For > example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA > catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up > a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent > in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are > newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code, > or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the > NLA that have no ISBN)? > > > Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this is > something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive > series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much > the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more > generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily > manually worked-around. > As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my primary > concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked it in > those terms over on Mediawiki.org too. > > Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more > direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in > Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a > blanket system wouldn't be appropriate). > > -Liam > > > wittylama.com > Peace, love & metadata > > > On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling <nick_dowl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Liam, >> >> I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions: >> >> 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki >> code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up >> remains very useful. >> >> 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper >> articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons >> would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect. >> >> I hope that's helpful. >> >> Regards, >> Nick >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000 >> From: liamwy...@gmail.com >> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove >> >> >> As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include a >> WP citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all search results (along >> with permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the >> Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech and >> database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds of >> citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss >> where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some >> feedback: >> >> 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this kind >> of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup? >> 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and >> which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual >> newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe that there is little/no >> value in providing this service for individual book results in the NLA >> catalogue >> search (because WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any >> individual library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music >> scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised maps.... Is >> it useful to have this service provided in those circumstances? >> >> -Liam / Wittylama >> (In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee of the >> NLA) >> >> -- >> wittylama.com >> Peace, love & metadata >> >> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing >> list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > -- GN. Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Gn. Blogg: http://gnangarra.wordpress.com
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