Yes, I agree. It is a fine point I am making, that I would rather see these people through the lens of present affiliation than past affiliation.
Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa....@gmail.com>wrote: > hmmm. > /me wrong. > I was not present on that day and the names that I heard were all from IEP. > > -Sudhanwa > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Sudhanwa, a small correction. I was not supported by IEP members in > Gnunify > > but those of Wikipedia Pune Club which does include some former IEP > > participants but also lots of new faces and myself :). > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Ashwin Baindur > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar < > sudhanwa....@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Let me take the focus of discussions back to the report/s where it all > >> started. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Hisham <his...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > In retrospect, I also understand the need for seperating the > Foundation > >> > activities as well. I think it is best to either go for total > seperation > >> > of > >> > community, chapter and Office or have general statements. > >> > > >> > > >> > The work that India Program is doing is integrally embedded in > community > >> > building. This means we work directly with interested community > members > >> > across the world and with the Chapter. I don't think a total > >> > separation is > >> > either practical or advisable. We should obviously avoid taking the > >> > option > >> > of "general statements" - and we need to find a suitable island in > >> > between. > >> > >> I was going through the report and also saw another page here: > >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Outreach_Programs/Outreach_Sessions/Feb > >> that gives listing of outreach sessions by IP. > >> > >> Another page by chapter also shows outreach reports. It is on the main > >> page of wiki. > >> > >> IP and Chapter are having more or less similar functions. They do > >> similar outreach efforts and have same people in some functions. > >> > >> Somehow, the reports from IP as well has chapter has about 9 entries > >> each for outreach program and only 2 are common !! > >> > >> One of them is the now famous NITT academy and the other one is GNUnify. > >> I was surprised to see only the English academy entry in GNUnify that > >> was conducted by Ashwin and helped by IEP volunteers. The Marathi > >> academy conducted at the same lab immediately after the lunch break is > >> not mentioned at all. Also surprising was the entry where Moksh was > >> involved. Possibly, it was supported by some IP person. > >> > >> General observation is that the report from IP shows the listing where > >> only the IP, IEP people were involved and the chapter report mentions > >> otherwise. > >> > >> This clearly means that there is a disconnect. I dont see any of the > >> IEP/IP people joining the Pune community activities (except a few). In > >> fact, one of the outreach session (mentioned in the report) by the IEP > >> was not even mentioned on any of the lists. > >> > >> Possibly, there is some polarisation somewhere and personally I feel > >> that it could be in favour of IP; simply because volunteers become > >> paid activists there. > >> > >> Lets take a very much possible theoretical case(like the NITT, where > >> volunteers had bad experiences) where a volunteer goes for conducting > >> an academy and is not treated well and has bad facilities of > >> lodging/boarding/travel etc. And for the same academy, a person from > >> IP is also going and flies to/from the place and lives in a nice > >> hotel. In such case, where and how to compare the voluntary work v/s > >> paid staff work? The volunteer has spent his time and resouces for > >> hardly anything but the staff is being paid for the same activity as > >> part of the job. > >> > >> Ashwin has hinted about evaluating voluntary efforts. Is there any > >> method to do it? > >> > >> Community members are same for both- chapter as well as IP. However, > >> chapter is answerable to the community even when all the community > >> members are not necessarily chapter members. (just a technical point. > >> not to be emphasised), Whereas IP may not have any binding on anything > >> and still get all kind of funds from WMF. And also hire people from > >> the community for doing the same work people were earlier doing > >> voluntarily. Also remember that chapter and the community members do > >> their work voluntarily and not get paid for it. > >> > >> Well, just to clarify, I am not saying that community members, IP > >> staff and IEP volunteers are not doing work. They are really doing > >> fantastic work and that must to be appreciated. However, all those > >> efforts/work has to be taken in various perspectives mentioned in this > >> thread. > >> > >> Best regards > >> -Sudhanwa > >> > >> > >> ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! > >> web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in > >> Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > > > -- > > ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! > web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in > Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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