Dear Nikita, The article suggests that male Wikipedia editors put down newbie female editors. Your comments, placed in conjunction with examples that speak of misogyny and sexism, show Wikipedia editors in poor light. Can you clarify if the newspaper has misquoted you?
Regards, Rohini -- Chairperson (Special Interest Groups), Gendergap, Wikimedia Chapter (India) On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally > understand your point and I think you are right. > > I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap > Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we > are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors. > > I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I > am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish > to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians), > the community should think of something, which could help. > > I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which > could help. > > > Thanks > , > <http://twitter.com/an5um>Ansuman > > > On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana <t...@cscs.res.in> wrote: > >> Hi Ansuman, >> The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of >> projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out. >> >> Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant >> and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English >> could be a task for all of us. >> >> And yes, be nice to all newbies! >> >> Tejaswini >> >> >> On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English >>> Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a >>> point added to WP:Deletion Policy ( >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at >>> Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies ( >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and >>> even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers >>> >>> Also you may raise this issue at >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others >>> may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion. >>> >>> Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female >>> editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't >>> visit userpages. >>> >>> A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works >>> like this >>> >>> http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&action=history >>> >>> I don't know if it is possible technically. >>> But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their >>> gender, then it'd be easy. >>> >>> Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead >>> and give it a try. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ansuman <http://twitter.com/an5um>* >>> * >>> >>> >>> On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy >>> <swetapadm...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> A very good read and truly written. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Swetapadma >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam <arunra...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see >>>>> wikipedians mentioned in the article. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting to note the article mention the following... >>>>> >>>>> *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male >>>>> editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for >>>>> anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a >>>>> template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more >>>>> supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a >>>>> male-dominated world of code. >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors >>>>> pulling the pages down. Or is it the case of experienced editors being >>>>> less tolerant and not encouraging to most new editors irrespective of >>>>> their gender. I believe it more often than not the second. >>>>> >>>>> To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was >>>>> another Women's Wikipedia >>>>> workshop<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013>running >>>>> in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash was working with a new lady >>>>> editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini >>>>> Nayak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak>". This was being >>>>> shown on a projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and >>>>> learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy >>>>> Delete" notice on a page that had no grounds for it. At best one could >>>>> Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability". >>>>> >>>>> We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time >>>>> getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also >>>>> know >>>>> we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful to not project >>>>> this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may >>>>> not be the case). >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of >>>>> the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the >>>>> media too). >>>>> >>>>> For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was >>>>> co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in >>>>> wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was >>>>> led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra! >>>>> >>>>> We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more >>>>> sensitive and to be careful not to >>>>> "*Bite*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers>" >>>>> new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template >>>>> {{this is a new >>>>> user<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user> >>>>> }} that new users can sport on their user pages. >>>>> >>>>> Have a good weekend everyone! >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Arun >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana < >>>>> t...@cscs.res.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nice to see Nikita's name in the article. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD >>>>>> Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research >>>>>> Applications (HEIRA) >>>>>> Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) >>>>>> Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) >>>>>> Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute >>>>>> of Science (CCS-IISc) >>>>>> >>>>>> t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268 >>>>>> f: 91-80-26730722 >>>>>> http://heira.in >>>>>> www.cscs.res.in >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD >> Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications >> (HEIRA) >> Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) >> Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) >> Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute >> of Science (CCS-IISc) >> >> t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268 >> f: 91-80-26730722 >> http://heira.in >> www.cscs.res.in >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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