Forgive me for interjecting at this point, as I am not actively engaged with any aspect of this process.
Wikimedia is a growing phenomenon, absolutely unique in its demonstration that value can be created without what is often assumed to be an equivalent injection of capital. It has happened through a model of cooperative working that previously we have hardly had work anywhere in the world, aside from the movement that created Amul ('value beyond money', in a crude translation). How will this movement be sustained and nourished into the future? As we know, traditional organisations, those ones whose models and frameworks have developed in the past 100 years or so, are quite unable to sustain their typical outputs, which are brands of goods and services. In some cases, it is because the products or services themselves become irrelevant, but in a large number of instances, despite their continuance. Yet we don't criticise those models adequately, and in fact may refer to their comings and goings as akin to natural evolution. Rather, the individual corporations and their organisational styles could be viewed as examples of unsustainable mutation. With this one, we have to tread boldly where no man, woman or any other intelligent creature on earth, as far as we know, has gone before. It seems reasonable to outsource some functions, as is presently being tried, but there are misgivings that this process itself introduces viscosity in the flow of information. Also, and this is a more critical observation, that money is being spent to do things that were being done by volunteers earlier. imho, no matter what activity is being undertaken, be it very manual, or highly cerebral, the mind that focuses on it narrowly is unable to adequately deal with matters on another scale. So the volunteers that do superbly at keeping the information resource humming don't have enough quality time to focus on how to make sure the resource is sustainable tomorrow as well as it is today. Tomorrow is another scale of thinking, when the emergency (or even routine task) is now. Perhaps handing over some tasks has freed up a few minds to focus on tomorrow and tomorrow. Maybe those minds aren't thinking about the short-term issues that have caused some people to already start speaking up, because they have set something in place and don't yet have good enough monitoring tools in place to know whether it is working out well, or creating hitherto unknown problems. I would like to see some loud thinking focused on less criticism of the present approach and more on alternate models that will address the misgivings being voiced, and invite further criticisms as an ongoing process rather than a staccato and uncomfortable round of finger-pointing (names haven't been named yet, but ...been there, done that). On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ansuman, Jayanta > > Thanks for validating my concern. > > I have posted an updated and expanded comment at > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Questions_from_an_Indian_Community_member_to_WMF_and_CIS-A2K > > == Questions from an Indian Community member to WMF and CIS-A2K == > > '''Questions for WMF''' > > > 1. What happens to the natural growth rate of the communities once a > program like this shuts down? > > The former Wikimedia India programs claimed Assamese Wikipedia as a > success story. Now, you can look at > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaAS.htm for their performance > after that program was shut down. > > So, how do you justify the spending for this program which is like spoon > feeding. > > The way [ > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015#Hindi_Work_PlanHindi > Wikipedia seeks help for content management] (fixing Google articles) > confirms my concern of spoon feeding. > > 2. What is WMF's approach and strategy for growing Wikimedia movement in > India? Will there be any end date for the CIS-A2K program or will there be > never ending annual renewals? > > 3. Is WMF adapting double standards for assessing grant requests? > > For example, there is liberal funding for staff salary here but WMIN > chapter was refused even one full time manager and ultimately the chapter > is facing a slow death now. Forget the cost and value of all the volunteer > work done by all the EC members and general members since the beginning of > the chapter. > > > '''Questions for CIS-A2K''' > > 4. How do you attribute or separate the performance of CIS-A2K from the > organic efforts and the growth of the community? > > 5. What is the (subtle) pressure, if any, on the community to achieve the > expected results? The plan is quite ambitious but looks completely top down > in approach. Do you expect the community to be burnt out? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Vickram Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com/> " *He's still watching me watching you watching thetrains go by.And the way he stares --- feel like locking my doorand pulling my phone from the wall.His eyes, like lights from a laser, burnmaking my hair stand --- making the goose-bumps crawl.*" Jethro Tull: Watching Me Watching You (1982)
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