Vishnu, glad to see your prompt replies...not good enough..you left some important points!! All i see is plans and reports.. No outcome!
Ansuman On 16 April 2014 21:28, Vishnu <visdav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > Sharing the below some replies, which were put up on Meta [1], in case you > have missed seeing it. Sorry for cross-posting. It would be good to > continue the discussions on Meta. > > > On Monday 14 April 2014 12:24 PM, Ravishankar wrote: > >> >> (copy of this comment placed at https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015. >> We can continue discussing there) >> >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for the elaborate work plan. >> >> 1. The way the budget is presented at >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_ >> Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015#Budget >> >> is misleading. A good percent of this budget will be spent on staff >> salary, travel logisitics and other things which will not be there if the >> work is done by the community. So, this is not the actual cost needed for >> the desired output but the cost arising because of the involvement of paid >> professionals. >> >> So besides this way of presenting the budget, there should also be a >> regular way of presenting budget like how the chapters are asked to submit >> during FDC application. It can be noted that during the last round of FDC >> funding application, WMIN faced very strict criterion regarding >> infrastructure cost, staff salary cost. >> > > Hi Ravi, thanks for engaging with the work plans and the questions. Have > tried to address some within the context of the work plans. > We had shared a google spreadsheet [2], which gives a micro level picture > of the Budget against each of the planned activity. Also each plan has an > independent budget and is closely mapped on to the implementation plan, and > clearly lists the proposed expenses for CIS-A2K staff costs and travel > costs. An attempt is made to correlate why we are spending a certain amount > on a certain activity. Thus all these budgets are very optimally planned > and the overall budget is an assimilation. CIS-A2K chose this design to > provide mission level transparency to our work and to provide a clear > structure of accountability to the movement and community. However, based > on your feedback we have realized that it would be useful to also give > item-wise break-up on Meta. We have given this budget break-up here [3]. > > > >> 2. I have an eerie feeling that the community development work in India >> is getting outsourced to NGOs like CIS at the cost of crippling budding >> local chapters like WMIN. The way Hindi Wikipedia seeks help for content >> management (fixing Google articles) confirms my concern. >> >> 3. Where can I find WMF's open assessment of the work done by CIS-A2K in >> the previous year? How is the cost for the work done justified? If the cost >> if justified, then the actual communities and the content they have >> developed on their on own are worth many crores of Indian rupees. But, we >> face strict guidelines when applying for grants whereas NGOs like CIS don't >> have that strict criterion. >> >> > We feel it is more productive to see the complementarity between the WMIN > and CIS-A2K than to pitch them as competitors for financial resources. The > later would undermine trust-building and consequently threatens the growing > synergies between WMIN and CIS-A2K. It is particularly intriguing that > outsourcing is being mentioned here as a model. Would be useful to have > more clarity and larger discussion on these. Probably, it would be apt to > raise these broader concerns on CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion page [4]. > > Best, > Vishnu > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_ > Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015#Budget. > 2C_CIS_support_rationale_and_Assessment_by_WMF > [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= > 0AshSF7ZKRBR5dGpMUnNKdHItUFJGMHluQUFxZGRHMmc&usp=sharing#gid=4 > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_ > Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Budget > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/ > Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_ > Society/Proposal_form > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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