David; I think Charles and Andreas have gotten beyond the original issue
and are talking about the real problems that exist.

"cumbersome" doesn't strike me as a hugely unfair way of putting it...

@Richard; I've always been disappointed in WMF support of OTRS, it being a
key point of contact. I burned out of OTRS recently (just taking a break
till more time comes available) when we cleared out the whole queue (I
handled something like 300 tickets in a month) but I see it is already back
at massive-scale...

Apparently we will finally be getting a software upgrade "soon", but even
that is not entirely fit for purpose.

Overall these are not easy problems to fix; I think we desperately need to
implement pending changes, and the WMF should enforce this system. There
are technical/community drawbacks to that technology but we need to
consider the moral obligations to our subjects first.

Tom


On 14 November 2012 13:08, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14 November 2012 13:06, Charles Matthews
> <charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's get back down to earth. "Cumbersome" in the title of the thread
> > implies we are dealing with people who are not the type to read
> > instructions patiently, and follow them. These people may be "normal"
> > by many standards.
>
>
> And specifically, "cumbersome" is the PRCA making excuses for a member
> having been busted whitewashing Wikipedia. The entire premise of the
> supposed problem is fraudulent.
>
>
> - d.
>
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