On the statement 'Welsh Chapels ID', you would expect a person to add the specific property, namely 'Wales'. That would have been the correct thing to do.
What you're asking, Andy, is for me to have faith that the person who added 'UK' did not know that Wales existed? It is very reasonable to assume that a French person would have heard of the Welsh National Team, the Welsh National Rugby team? The Welsh National Assembly? The National Library of Wales... If he or she didn't know that Wales is a nation, then why on earth was he /she working with 'Welsh Chapels IDs' etc? Surely, others were aware of this?, and allowed it to pass by. If an user had placed Robert Plant's place of birth as being 'Europe', the reasonable thing to do would have been to correct it into the more specific 'England', and maybe assumed good faith. If this mistake had been done thousands of time, at what point would you stop assuming good faith? Commons has most Welsh people categorised as being under the general 'UK'; even Wiki Loves Monuments did not accept Wales and Scotland as being individual countries, and as for enwiki... It happens all the time, uncorrected. The old adage still holds true: 'ignorance is not not knowing, but not wanting to know'. If editors do not know that Wales is a country, a nation, then surely it is our responsibility to educate them. It is our moral duty to support diversity and the other 287 language wikis by educating people of our own diversity and individual countries that form the "UK". And this correction needs to be done by all of us, wherever we live, whatever our language, asap. PS Andy - my words are not aimed at you, otherwise I would have sent you an email, they are aimed at all of our wiki community. Robin > On 15 December 2017 at 22:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: > > > On 15 December 2017 at 19:39, Robin Owain <i...@cymruwales.com> wrote: > > > Very, very sad, however, that someone has opted for an union jack / uk > > template > > for properties relevant to the Welsh Nation (see the Talk pages); very > > political > > Assume good faith, please. The reason for that was that someone had - > not unreasonably, in the circumstances - said that the property was > related to the United Kingdom. Given that those circumstances are that > they are not a United Kingdom citizen, nor a native English (or Welsh) > speaker, I don't think that was "very political". And the matter was > easily rectified, as I see you yourself have done: > > > https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P4641&diff=609674520&oldid=609660585 > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
