Thanks for the explanation, Lucy. Doug On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Lucy Crompton-Reid < lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi Doug (and all) > > The DM contacted me (via the press email at Wikimedia UK) late on Monday > afternoon for comment. I immediately contacted the press team at the > Foundation, as I knew they were sent the report on online suicide > prevention last year. WMF had said at the time that they were formulating a > response in conjunction with their legal team, which I now know that they > sent however I didn't get a copy of their response until Tuesday. Monday is > Martin Luther King Day (a bank holiday) in the States and so staff at the > Foundation were out of the office. John and I therefore drafted a response > to the Mail's request, however in consultation with several key board > members at WMUK we decided not to formally comment (although I did give > some background information to the editor on the way Wikipedia works). > > We are discussing our strategy for dealing with negative press stories and > in particular the ongoing antipathy coming from the DM. > > Best > Lucy > > On 20 January 2018 at 19:07, Doug Weller <dougwel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Was there any response to the Mail's article blaming us for suicides? It >> says they contact Wikipedia, presumably the WMF. >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5271837/Wikipe >> dia-accused-hosting-irresponsible-suicide-guide.html >> >> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Lucy Crompton-Reid < >> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> Good idea for a blog post - both in the light of the Russian trolls >>> 'story' and yesterday's coverage of the Grant Shapps report into online >>> suicide prevention (which was in the Independent and others but with a >>> particular Wikipedia angle in the Mail story)... >>> >>> On 17 January 2018 at 14:45, John Lubbock <john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I am always looking for people to write blogposts. Perhaps a few people >>>> could crowdsource a blogpost about how Wikipedia does quality control, >>>> listing various ways like human peer review, edit filters, bots, etc... >>>> I'm sure some of you will know how this is done better than I do. >>>> >>>> Here - I've started an open Googledoc >>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E5EfSV-qoiiA20lWuK_QKhn8qijiUBe5ZNmQCZyKqbk/edit?usp=sharing>. >>>> Anyone is free to contribute. >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avg.com >>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>> <#m_-8740862262303011898_m_6695397523312440721_m_-8485631873690636264_m_-8636929772461878280_m_2002940969239252742_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> John Lubbock >>>> >>>> Communications Coordinator >>>> >>>> Wikimedia UK >>>> >>>> +44 (0) 203 372 0767 <+44%2020%203372%200767> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England >>>> and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, >>>> Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. >>>> >>>> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The >>>> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate >>>> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent >>>> non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility >>>> for its contents.* >>>> >>>> On 17 January 2018 at 13:45, Charles Matthews < >>>> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17 January 2018 at 13:24 Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Would it be worth Wikimedia UK's while to put out a blog post talking >>>>> about quality control processes (ad-hoc as they are) on Wikipedia? Not so >>>>> much as a direct reply - both because these articles look like they're >>>>> just filling empty column inches, and because we obviously can't prove a >>>>> negative (that "Russian trolls" *aren't* running amok on political >>>>> articles). Rather as a timely reminder of what Wikipedia is about and how >>>>> the 'wisdom of the crowd' makes it quite difficult to grossly distort its >>>>> content. I could say something about what admins do, though there I'm sure >>>>> there are people who spend more time on politicians' biographies than I >>>>> do. >>>>> >>>>> As you say, proving the negative is out of reach. >>>>> >>>>> I would say, take the lesson of https://en.wikipedia.org/wi >>>>> ki/Poisoning_the_well to heart. Along with straightforward lying, >>>>> selective quotation, guilt by association, and the reporting of rumour as >>>>> truth, there is a lot of it about these days. >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad to see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie has had some >>>>> recent attention, while we're on the topic of propaganda techniques >>>>> everybody should know about. >>>>> >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Lucy Crompton-Reid >>> >>> Chief Executive >>> >>> Wikimedia UK >>> >>> +44 (0) 203 372 0762 >>> >>> >>> >>> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and >>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered >>> Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. >>> >>> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The >>> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate >>> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control >>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug Weller >> http://www.ramtops.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> > > > > -- > > Lucy Crompton-Reid > > Chief Executive > > Wikimedia UK > > +44 (0) 203 372 0762 > > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. > > Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The > Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > -- Doug Weller http://www.ramtops.co.uk
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