" though you are right to imply that the chapter is over-sensitive to criticism... "
John, I must have missed that bit as I didn't see Katie imply that at all. If anything, I think the chapter receives, and always has received, a lot of unwarranted criticism from people who have ill-defined issues with how it operates. Some people have always been very quick to rush to criticism rather than gently join a conversation. Others simply have an axe to grind. The chapter is doing a good job. Wouldn't it be nice if we heard people say that more often? On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:49 PM, John Byrne <j...@bodkinprints.co.uk> wrote: > As very often in recent years, I got a notification of my post sent an > hour or so ago, with completely blank text. Yet Katie has clearly seen it, > as she quotes me. Have others also got blanks? Can the rather cryptic > instructions for replies be clarified, or is there some bug? I get the > digest version. It doesn't exactly encourage people to contribute, and may > be a factor in the much lower activity on this list in recent years. It > never used to happen. > > No Katie, I don't think this has much to do with it, though you are right > to imply that the chapter is over-sensitive to criticism... > > John/Johnbod > > > On 10 April 2018 at 18:37 wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > > > Send Wikimediauk-l mailing list submissions to > wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediauk-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: UK chapter membership numbers (Charles Matthews) 2. UK chapter > membership numbers (John Byrne) 3. Re: UK chapter membership numbers (Katie > Chan) 4. Re: UK chapter membership numbers (Richard Nevell) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:25:51 +0100 (BST) > From: Charles Matthews > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK chapter membership numbers > Message-ID: <1623281894.198396.1523366751...@mail2.virginmedia.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 10 April 2018 at 11:41 Fæ wrote: > > It appears that the jump in numbers was a one-off event, there has > been no continued growth since whatever happened. > > > I don't know what happened. I did correspond with the office about a > prompt to renew. One could simulate such a "one-off event" by simply asking > people whose membership had lapsed to renew. I was doing this sort of thing > for WMUK some seven years ago, so as an explanation it is not far-fetched. > > Charles > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:31:33 +0100 (BST) > From: John Byrne > To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] UK chapter membership numbers > Message-ID: <522111329.168305.1523377893...@email.1and1.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:31:14 +0100 > From: Katie Chan > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK chapter membership numbers > Message-ID: <7mbf1d6v6k6decqn08p662nx.1523381474...@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Oh I don't know, maybe this "yawning gap" wouldn't be so wide if the > chapter don't get criticised for both not increasing its membership numbers > and having increased its membership numbers. > Just a wide guess.... > KTC > > Sent from my Samsung device > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:37:12 +0000 > From: Richard Nevell > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK chapter membership numbers > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Fae, > > My memory could be failing me, but I thought it was explained at the AGM > that the increase was a result of asking donors to become members. > > It sounds like you are more interested in the 'how' of the process and the > 'who' as you seem dissatisfied with the answer to *why* there was an > increase. To make sure we're on the same page is that what you meant? > > Regards, > Richard Nevell > > PS. Have you had a chance to look into the issue on Commons with the > conflicting licence for some images from the Portable Antiquities Scheme? > My question was archived before a reply. > > > On 10 April 2018 at 11:41, Fæ wrote: > > Yes, at the AGM the tripling of membership numbers was explained as > being due to an increase in members joining. No meaningful facts were > presented to the members, but the impression given by the Chair and > the CEO was that there would be more information publicly available. > > My question was "why". Sharing information about any discussion the > trustees have had on improving protection against entryism, would be > healthy for transparency, as would sharing exactly what happened that > caused this massive, overnight, leap in membership totals. Currently, > there is zero information on the nature of who joined, which may have > been down to how they joined. As an example, if 351 people joined at > an academic conference in London, then the people joining would be > academics who go to events in London and if the 351 new members were > found due to appeals by the CEO on Facebook, then the new members > would be limited to people who follow or network with the CEO on > Facebook. > > It appears that the jump in numbers was a one-off event, there has > been no continued growth since whatever happened. Should the chapter > start maintaining the published membership report again, then it will > be possible for people apart from chapter employees to have access to > the latest facts. > > Thanks, > Fae > > On 9 April 2018 at 22:01, Richard Nevell > wrote: > > Dear Fae, > > As was explained at the AGM the increase in the number of members was the > result of a successful membership drive. > > Regards, > Richard Nevell > > > On 9 Apr 2018 21:34, "Fæ" wrote: > > During the last UK Chapter AGM, it was asked why the membership > numbers had radically changed, there was no specific answer to the > question. Was any analysis done on this afterwards? When reviewing > membership it seems likely that the charity's trustees would have been > concerned at these figures so shortly before the AGM, due to the > potential risk of entryism. > > Membership jumped from a total of 147 (a five year low) in May 2017, > to the all time record high the following month of 498, i.e. new > sign-ups that month more than *tripled* the total membership. > > A second question - the report of membership numbers has been updated > every month for the past five years.[1] It has not been updated since > October 2017. Could anyone confirm what the most recent membership > numbers are so the report can be updated? > > P.S. the links in the FAQ about the register of members are out of > date, the companylawclub link is a 404 error and the companieshouse > link advises to go to their new website. > > Links: > > 1. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Membership/Numbers > > > 2. > > https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Volunteers_-_Frequently_Asked_ > Questions#Why_do_you_keep_a_register_of_members.3F > > > > Thanks, > Fae > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediauk-l mailing list > Wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > ------------------------------ > > End of Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 153, Issue 5 > ********************************************* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >
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