He right. Wikipedia has to respect other cultures and not harm them. If we did harm them, wikipedia wouldn't be neutral anymore.
Techman224 On 8-Dec-08, at 10:44 PM, J.L.W.S. The Special One wrote: > I think most participating in the discussion on this mailing list do > not > hold that attitude, thankfully. But I do see quite a few "ZOMG > CENSORSHIP!"-like comments on IRC and AN. On IRC, an American > actually did > say something like "If the rest of the world want to censor, screw > the rest > of the world". > > Wikipedia's stance against censorship seems noble in theory, but in > practice, it looks more like ideological blindness. It worsens > systemic bias > by giving editors, especially Americans, carte blanche (did I use that > correctly?) to attack other cultures. > > By the way, I agree that the policy against open proxies needs to be > changed. TOR is the best and most common way to circumvent the Great > Firewall of China. Why are many established Wikipedians, not at all > concerned that mainland Chinese. who comprise around 20% of the world > population, cannot edit Wikipedia? > > (I apologise for the anti-Americanism. In my experience, it is usually > Americans who are like that, although some non-Americans are like > that too. > Many Americans are not like that and I wish to assure them that I am > not > targeting them in this post.) > > -- > Written with passion, > J.L.W.S. The Special One > > 2008/12/9, Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:28 PM, J.L.W.S. The Special One >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I am concerned by the "only the USA matters, screw the rest of the >>> world" >>> attitude displayed by some American Wikipedians. >>> >>> Do we care more about fighting censorship or letting British users >>> edit >>> Wikipedia? >> >> >> I don't think we care all that much about "fighting censorship": >> We're >> not really doing much fighting, we never have. We could do a lot: We >> could be promoting SSL and TOR, we could be evading the block, we >> could change Wikipedia to have a black background for censored users >> with a video from Jimmy explaining why the current situation is >> harmful. We could be litigating against the IWF and ISPs who are >> hijacking our traffic, even if we don't think we'd win. etc. We could >> make readers access to Wikipedia an all or nothing thing. These >> things >> would be fighting censorship. >> >> Right now we're just talking politely. At best you can say we're not >> being instantly cowed by demands by some private organization, over >> material which as far as we can tell both contributes to our mission >> (in however minor a way) and which is not illegal. I think this is >> good because if we were to do otherwise there would be no clear place >> to stop. >> >> The editing problems are purely from the technical incompetence in >> the >> manner in which the UK censorship is being performed, and not from >> the >> censorship itself. So long as the UK networks use censorship run >> in a >> technically broken way we can have no safety no matter what we host. >> Your dichotomy is a false one. >> >> (1) The blocking should be changed to be the actual image, rather >> than >> the page text. This would remove most of the collateral damage (no >> more editing problems), and actually do better at accomplishing their >> goals. Right now the ISPs and IWF claim to be protecting people >> from a >> harmful image, yet they aren't doing that: Instead they are >> protecting >> people from the discussion of the controversy and not stopping the >> image at all. >> >> (2) All of the proxies should be sending the XFF header to avoid the >> collateral damage. (a few did, and we we accept the header from them >> now) >> >> We've requested both of these things for days now, because of the way >> the filtering is performed (with each ISP doing its own thing) (2) >> may >> take a while, but I see no technical reason why (1) couldn't be done >> right away. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikipedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
