Señores Serian tan gentiles de traducirme vuestros escritos en español, y comprendo ingles cotidiano pero no el tecnico. Hay muchas palabras que no las entiendo. Donde vivo no tengo ha nadie con quien hablar ingles por eso he perdido la practica. Se me hace muy dificil participar con Uds. Por otra parte por lo que logro entender es que estan aplicando la biologia en todo hasta en las contrucciones, lo encuentro fabuloso que usemos nuestros conocimientos cientificos en el cuidado del medio ambiente, en la manera de producir cualquier cosa , que con los conocimientos cientificos respetemos los ciclos naturales. Solo pido que sea lo antes posible. Tengan fe que Uds tienen todo el poder para hacerlo.R. Gabriela Sanhueza> From: [email protected]> Subject: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:14:52 +0000> > Send Wikipedia-l mailing list submissions to> [email protected]> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> [email protected]> > You can reach the person managing the list at> [email protected]> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Wikipedia-l digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 2. Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 3. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Andrew Gray)> 4. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Gregory Maxwell)> 5. Re: Inline interwiki links to fair-use media content in other> Wikipedia (Jiri Hofman)> 6. Re: RNA biology (Tim Starling)> 7. Re: RNA biology (Gerard Meijssen)> 8. Re: RNA biology (Maury Markowitz)> 9. Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season> greetings (Gerard Meijssen)> 10. Re: RNA biology (Jacky PB)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:19:32 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am quite convinced that this is a good faith attempt to bring more science> to the masses. I wanted to highlight the issues and learn from the people> who proposed this how they want to deal with this. When you read a> scientific paper, 90%+ in a paper is explaining what is already known any> way. When the idea is to make sure that these basic facts are represented> well in Wikipedia, we have a real winner on our hands.> > Implied in the proposal is that these summaries will be published under the> CC-by-sa because without it, the publication of these summaries in Wikipedia> are impossible anyway.> > When it becomes clear that Wikipedia is not the right place for the> publication of these summaries, the WMF could create a new project for> Wikipedia style summaries of scientific papers. These summaries would be> published without anonymity and with a clear connection to the scientific> paper. In this way, we have a resource that people can refer to in wikipedia> both as a source and for further reading.> > A project like this will imho do the status of the WMF a world of good and,> give an extra push to the Open Access movement because these papers will> bring science to our public and our public is the world.> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/22 Jacky PB <[email protected]>> > > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>> > > announced that they are requiring researchers publishing> > > research on families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> >> > As a scientist, I find this move dubious.> > Even if we overlook the problem posed by the NPOV policy of> > wikipedia, it seems that the magazine wants to outsource peer> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> >> > From my POV, there are only 2 things that could make sense> > here:> > 1. RNA biology creats its own specialized wiki where self-assumed> > experts can contribute.> > 2. Once an article is published, Wikipedia gets a right to use> > excerpts in its articles.> >> > Dpotop> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > [email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:34:05 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > Hello Wikipedians!> > I would like to know opinions of others and, if possible and appropriate,> also official opinion of Wikimedia Foundation on following:> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> images used in en as fair-use.> > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> potentially violate the law or our license?> > > I should probably state my opinion too, to be fair and honest: Yes, I feel> it is potentially dangerous and we should avoid it. I would like to know,> if there is a reason to spend time and energy on advocating this opinion.> > Thank you,> Jiri Hofman> > PS: Sorry, if this arrived twice, no intention to spam, only forgotten> registration confirmation.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:05 +0000> From: "Andrew Gray" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <[email protected]>:> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> > example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> > Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> > potentially violate the law or our license?> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> comparable...> > -- > - Andrew Gray> [email protected]> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:02:27 -0500> From: "Gregory Maxwell" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jiri Hofman <[email protected]> wrote:> [snip]> > As you probably know, some Wikipedias provide fair-use content (as en)> > which is not allowed in some other Wikipedias because they want to satisfy> > also local laws not allowing fair-use, not just laws of the USA. Because> > of that a lot of articles in these Wikipedias do not contain certain> > images used in en as fair-use.> > I don't believe the characterization of desiring to satisfy local laws> is all that accurate: Any industrialized nation without some kind of> legal provision for fair use would be paralysed without some> comparable notion to fair use? and in fact many of the language> Wikipedias which deny fair use have matching countries which very> clearly do have some analogue of fair use.> > Rather, most deny fair use because they believe it brings them closer> to the princlples of free content underlying Wikipedia. (And it's> pretty indisputable that in many cases it has this effect, although at> a cost?)> > > Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article or> > infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> [snip]> > This is a question of local project policy, but I would suspect that> the answer is No, you're basically evading their content rules. These> projects want you to find or obtain freely licensed images, talk> people into releasing under a free license, etc.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:09 +0200 (EET)> From: "Jiri Hofman" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Inline interwiki links to fair-use media> content in other Wikipedia> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2> > > 2008/12/22 Jiri Hofman <[email protected]>:> >> >> Is it correct to provide direct inline (inside the text of the article> >> or> >> infobox) iterwiki links to these images (and generally files)? For> >> example: [[:en:File:Metallica and justice for all a.jpg|Image in English> >> Wikipedia]]. Is it something what should be avoided because it can> >> potentially violate the law or our license?> >> > Question: what would we say if someone, for example, did a direct link> > like this to an image held on Amazon? The situations seem fairly> > comparable...> > Well, I would not like it as it is a link which should be rather in> references or external link section. If it was a link to the official site> of the band with this image it would be a perfect candidate to external> link section.> > I disagree this is quite comparable. I do not know under what license> Amazon shows the images. Moreover everybody could directly see that this> is not a part of Wikipedia, nobody could say: "you are trying to cheat me,> not all of your Wikipedia content is free".> > Is similar linking in use in some Wikipedias?> > Jiri> > > >> > --> > - Andrew Gray> > [email protected]> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > [email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:00:14 +1100> From: Tim Starling <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > The magazine RNA> > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > The notion is that the paper in the> > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be peer> > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> in Wikipedia or else"'.> > -- Tim Starling> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:10:10 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> I am not subscribed to the English language Wikipedia mailing list. I now> had a look and think that this subject has a wider importance then only the> en.wp. Now I am subscribed and am on "do not send".> Thanks,> GerardM> > 2008/12/23 Tim Starling <[email protected]>> > > Gerard Meijssen wrote:> > > The magazine RNA> > > biology<http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology>announced> > > that they are requiring researchers publishing research on> > > families of RNA molecules in the journal to write a> > > Wikipedia<http://wikipedia.org/>article summarising their findings.> > > The notion is that the paper in the> > > magazine is original research and the Wikipedia article that will also be> > peer> > > reviewed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review>, will be a summary.> >> > This was discussed on wikien-l under the subject 'Scientists told "publish> > in Wikipedia or else"'.> >> > -- Tim Starling> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Wikipedia-l mailing list> > [email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:17:03 -0500> From: "Maury Markowitz" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Jacky PB <[email protected]> wrote:> > reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> > nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> > scientific discussion.> > I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > Maury> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:38:13 +0100> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you> and season greetings> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> <[email protected]>, [email protected]> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Hoi,> Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their> e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end> of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all.> > Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or> the Wikimedia Foundation to some bucks..> Thanks and happy holidays,> GerardM> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> From: Siebrand Mazeland> Date: 2008/12/24> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings> To: [email protected], [email protected]> > > Dear translators, developers, and other subscribers,> > As Betawiki staff we would like to thank you very much for your continued> support making MediaWiki projects succeed, and hope on good health for you> and your loved ones, and your continued contributions for 2009.> > End of December 2007 Siebrand formulated localisation goals for MediaWiki> For 2008[1]. They were ambitious. Really ambitious, and it looks like the> four goals that were set are not going to be met. However, us Betawiki staff> do not give up without a fight. There is still one more week left before the> year ends, and because of that we would like to give you an incentive.> > == 1,000 Euro bounty ==> Together with Stichting Open Progress[2] we are able to make available 1,000> Euro, to be divided between all translators that will make 500 or more new> translations for MediaWiki or its extensions before the end of the year. In> the past week there have been 5 users that made more than 500 translations,> so that is quite an incentive, we think! If you are eligible to claim your> share of the bounty, please do that at the designated page[3]. Please note> if you would like to receive your cut, have us donate it to the Wikimedia> Foundation on your behalf, or if you do not claim it, in which case> Stichting Open Progress will repurpose it.> > We wish you happy and productive holidays and hope to see you (re)visit> Betawiki often!> > Betawiki Staff[4]> > [1]> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2007-December/000571.html> [2] http://openprogress.org/Stichting_Open_Progress> [3] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim> [4] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=staff> > > _______________________________________________> Mediawiki-i18n mailing list> [email protected]> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:14:50 -0800 (PST)> From: Jacky PB <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] RNA biology> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > > > > >> reviewing to a generalist site. As if hordes of geeks that know> >> nothing or little of RNA biology can bring something in the> >> scientific discussion.> > >I find this comment both revealing and insulting.> > It was not intended as insulting, and you did not specify> to whom it is insulting and why. > > I may rephrase this as follows: I believe the job of Wikipedia> is not to create results, but to put them into a social and> historical perspective, and reveal to the general reader the> relations between pieces of> knowledge. To do this, not being a specialist is not a problem, > on the contrary. This actually corresponds to the first job of a > junior scientist: Bibliography search.> > Cheers,> Dpotop> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Wikipedia-l mailing list> [email protected]> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l> > > End of Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16> ******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ ¿Fanático de Hotmail y Messenger? ¡Conoce el resto de Windows Live®! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
