Can't we all just get along?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John Jackson <[email protected]>wrote: > Answering Nathan Awrich: > > My blog reply: http://bit.ly/HwaYsr > > > > No-one on this list has shown that they understand the concept of the > possibility of Wikipedia actually doing anything wrong, nor of the concept > of responding to outside comments in any way other than spin. If someone > pointed out an obvious bad rust attack on your car, you'd never consider > any response other than painting over it. > > > > And again, EVEN WHEN I'VE POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM, you STILL don't see > it. ...Even > though it would be obvious beforehand to any civilised person that no > worthwhile organisation could treat criticisms from outside as always > irrelevant. > > > > Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia? That would be > democracy of those INSIDE it then; outsiders don't count and aren't worth > listening to - ever... whoever they are. > > > > Awrich: attempting to grab the world's knowledge, then endorsing the > complete removal of obviously correct contributions made by a genuine and > qualified scientific researcher because of one or two Wiki-fiddlers > qualified with nothing but pretty stars, is a stupidly destructive act. > When > Putin does something that bad he looks cynically around to show people how > little he cares... but you don't seem even to notice you've done it. > > > > And when a genuine misdemeanour is pointed out, IT'S THE CULPRIT WHO IS IN > THE WRONG NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Keep making that mistake with me and > you'll end up even more sore. > > > Wikipedia is using the clumsy culture, morals and intellect of a > kindergarten gang to degrade the world's knowledge and shackle its > growth. Watching > this is like watching the Nazis march into Paris, or the barbarians burning > the library at Alexandria. We've learned that the response to such actions > is not regret but attack. If you ever learn anything, you're going to > learn to respect integrity and intellectuality. > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:45 AM, JP Béland <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ...or not about. > > > > JP > > > > > > 2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker <[email protected]> > > > > > Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about. > > > > > > On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that > > > > complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution. > > SOFIXIT > > > is > > > > the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important > that > > > > people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them > > > and I > > > > do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I > > edit > > > > in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the > attention > > > they > > > > deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need > > > fixing > > > > in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the > > > > forefront of getting our information out. > > > > > > > > PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work > is > > > > done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can > > > make a > > > > difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When > > you > > > > think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find > something > > > for > > > > you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing > is > > > for > > > > you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve > > yourself. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it? > > > > > > > > > > How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of > > > > > identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them? > > > > > > > > > > JJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the > > > > Wikipedia > > > > > > gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at > what > > > it > > > > > has > > > > > > to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not > > > > > > complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are > > > > positive > > > > > > regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people > can > > do > > > > > that > > > > > > will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from > > > negative > > > > > > encounters. Typically they are not worth it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been > > done > > > by > > > > > > WMF's > > > > > > > PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the > > > general > > > > > > > public? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amqui > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what the BBC has to say ... today... > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 > > > > > > > > Gerard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about PR? What have been done in this regard? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amqui > > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people > > who > > > > see > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > improve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notable improvements happen here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - visual editor > > > > > > > > > > - wikipedia zero > > > > > > > > > > - wikidata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way > of > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > reach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia > > > corporation > > > > > > > > personnel, > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to > > > rejuvenate > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of > all > > > > human > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *AKHIL MULGAONKER * > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikipedia-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikipedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
