Hi all, agreed Brooke and all. There was one formulation in my starting email that should have phrased slightly differently for more clarity.
'Drop support' should have been 'drop dedicated support'. where users of Opera continue to be able to browse or edit the wikis in a basic manner. These changes, starting with the support matrix, just mean we're not actively testing against them anymore or, specifically for IE11, going a long way to ensure complete layout rendering equivalence with modern browsers. Again, in the case of Opera, Chromium versions will probably see exactly the same experience as before through active testing and bug fixing for supported versions of Chrome. Per Timo's note about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342267 and in response to Sam's question, some data sets like those used by public analytics tools like https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-sites-by-browser are not believed to be completely accurate at this time. We used only Foundation internally accessible https://superset.wikimedia.org/superset/explore/p/lj9Q8J5b67K/, which to our knowledge doesn't suffer from the same concerns about accuracy. This data suggests that over the past 12 months, usage across all Opera browsers combined comes to just over 0.1%, significantly less than even Edge Legacy. The updated matrix would reflect the reality that Opera is not actively tested against when developing new features. Best, Volker On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 2:48 PM Brooke Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I'm assuming any change to drop Opera off basic and modern support relates > to the legacy Opera, not Chromium based Operas, just like how the Chromium > Edge versions still get modern JavaScript and CSS? > > Probably worth calling this out explicitly. > > -- brooke > > On Mon, May 13, 2024, 4:18 PM Volker E. <volke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> the Design System Team (DST) is proposing the following changes to >> MediaWiki browser support [1]: >> - Drop support for Internet Explorer 11 (IE 11) >> - Drop support for all versions of Edge Legacy >> - Drop support for Opera >> - Increase Basic (Grade C) support for Chrome and Firefox to versions >> 49+, Safari and iOS to versions 10+. >> >> What this means: The browsers we’re phasing out won’t be tested for >> layout rendering anymore. While users on these browsers might and will >> still be able to read and basically interact with content, they might >> experience some quirks. This step helps us integrate modern web features >> more seamlessly. >> >> These changes will unlock the ability to use specific newer browser >> features that cannot be safely used today without requiring a fallback, >> notably CSS custom properties (used in upcoming reading customization >> features like Night Mode) and the <summary> and <details> HTML elements >> that can be used to replace the checkbox hack. >> This will reduce the amount of code sent to 99.9% of users and cut down >> on software development costs and maintenance burdens. >> >> See the full announcement for more details; PDF to download [2]. >> >> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Design System Team, >> Volker >> >> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility#Browser_support_matrix >> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F52025988 >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
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