I have added Panos to Skype; yes, we should probably exchange Skype handles off-list.
I am in Cambridge (London time), so that should work. Cheers, Magnus On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jan Paul Posma <jp.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > Skype sounds great! Also, I heard you work with Ariel, which is great because > that way you have a more local person to contact with MediaWiki questions. > Perhaps we can get off-list with those interested to schedule an introductory > meeting? (You, me, Magnus, Ariel, others?) I am located in the Netherlands, > so our hours will be similar. > > Cheers, > Jan Paul > > On 19-Jan-2011, at 19:47, Panos Louridas wrote: > >> Thanks to both Jean Paul and Magnus for taking up the offer! >> >> Based on your input I will look into our developer tool for people with >> expertise in the following: >> >> * Advanced JS, preferably with experience in optimisation issues etc. >> >> * UI design, usability testing, etc. >> >> * Text processing (of sorts) for the needs of SLE >> >> (if you believe I am missing something, say so) >> >> I expect to have the people in place in February, I will let you know. I >> will be following the list. >> >> Jean Paul indicated that we might talk in more detail. I do not follow IRC >> because of my tight schedule; I do use Skype, however (ID: louridas). Please >> Jean Paul, Magnus, and others, let me know if that suits you. As I am >> located in Athens, my waking hours are around East European Time. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Panos. >> >> On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: >> >>> A very generous offer indeed! >>> >>> My own SLE and Magnus' WYSIFTW are indeed the most active projects, so that >>> would be a good bet. Actually, for me the timing is just right, as I'll be >>> working on a paper about this editor for a while, so it'd be cool to have >>> someone(s) continue the project. If one of your researchers has a brilliant >>> idea on how to do this right, that would obviously be really valuable too. >>> >>> A lot of things Magnus mentioned apply to my project too: >>> * Improving detection algorithms, i.e. better sentence-level editing >>> (perhaps using an external language recognition library), better detection >>> of other elements. Keep in mind that the editor excludes anything it >>> doesn't 'understand', so this is a nice fallback, you don't have to write a >>> complex parser that detects a lot of stuff at once. >>> * Cross-browser/platform/device compatibility (think mobile, touchscreens, >>> etc.) >>> * Usability testing (the more the merrier!) >>> * Verifying detection coverage (Which % of the wikitext is editable) and >>> quality (Wikitext -> Adding markers -> MediaWiki parser -> Removing >>> markings -> Wikitext??) Checking this on a large number of pages. >>> * Test suites (again, the more the merrier, but only for parts of the code >>> and interface that are considered stable!) >>> * Lots of implementation details: embedding the (current) editor toolbar in >>> the textboxes, making sure (a fair percentage of) gadgets still work with >>> this, and handling unusual cases like edit conflicts, etc. >>> >>> Perhaps it'd be good to have a (video or IRC?) conversation with you, your >>> developers, people from the Foundation, and people from the specific >>> projects you want to contribute to. Again, really awesome that you guys >>> want to work on this! :-) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Jan Paul >>> >>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 9:55, Magnus Manske wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Panos Louridas <louri...@grnet.gr> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> At the Greek Research and Education Network (GRNET) we look at the >>>>> possibility of contributing to the development of WYSIWYG editor support >>>>> in Wikipedia. We understand that considerable work has already taken >>>>> place in the area, e.g.: >>>>> >>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIFTW >>>>> * https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RTE/ >>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing >>>>> >>>>> We therefore think that it will not be productive to reinvent the wheel >>>>> over here. >>>>> >>>>> Our contribution can take the form of providing developers that will >>>>> devote part (or all) of their time for some months in 2011. We welcome >>>>> any comments and suggestions on how we could push this forward, and in >>>>> particular: >>>>> >>>>> * Specific tasks / components that need to be designed, developed, >>>>> optimized, etc., and estimates of effort and timeframe. >>>> >>>> Hi Panos, >>>> >>>> a very generous offer! One I would like to take you up on, for WYSIFTW >>>> as you no doubt have guessed :-) >>>> >>>> WYSIFTW is approaching feature completeness, as far as wiki markup >>>> parsing is concerned, and improves on usability as well. (just try the >>>> new "floating context hover boxes", in lack of a better name, that I >>>> added last night, wich come up when you hover over a template or a >>>> references, for show/hide and rendered preview, and the new optional >>>> rendering for templates as a key-value-pair table) >>>> >>>> For support later this year, tasks would include >>>> * increase parsing performance (mostly post-parsing steps, focusing on >>>> DOM lookup and manipulation) >>>> * improve editing usability (cut/copy/paste, better specialised >>>> dialogs for images, table/row/cell properties etc.) >>>> * usability testing (I'm using up volunteers fast ;-) >>>> * creating a test suite (to make sure that changes don't accidentally >>>> break anything) >>>> * general compatibility testing (find pages that parse/unparse >>>> wrongly, and patch the code accordingly) >>>> >>>> I like the sentence-level editing function, but once I add >>>> section-level editing to WYSIFTW, these two will start to converge. >>>> I'm curious which of these will be more suited to small fixes and >>>> adding single sentences/references etc. >>>> >>>> As for RTE, I know little about. Apparently, it is not suitable for >>>> Wikipedia in its current form. From brief looks at CKeditor, it might >>>> be quite some work to make it behave nicely around parsed wikitext, as >>>> used on Wikipedia. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Magnus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
