Hi Ori,

I absolutely 100% agree and we really need to sort this out this week. The
lost productivity is unacceptable.

So far I have heard different arguments why we cannot hand out 'create-repo
rights' to engineers:

The first reason was that only admin's could do it but that is not longer
true with the special create repo right group

The second reason was that Gerrit's permission system is either too complex
or engineers don't know how it works. I have full confidence in our
engineers that they can master Gerrit's permission system in less than a
day.

Now a new argument is unleashed and that is that we cannot delete
repos. The fact that we cannot delete repos is a non-argument. None of us
are going to create a bazillion repos.


The way we are using Git right now makes it a more centralized system than
Subversion ever was. This means that we are not using it right. So I really
hope that we can close this discussion by handing out the 'create-repo
right' to paid WMF engineers or any paid WMF engineer who requests this.


Diederik


On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Ori Livneh <ori.liv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jeremy Baron <jer...@tuxmachine.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I mostly agree with what you've said.
> >
> > Just wanted to point out gerrit projects (aka repos) can never be
> > destroyed. so if you e.g. typo or rename a project or kill it 5 days
> > after you started it's still there forever. Only very recently have we
> > even been able to hide projects from project listings in the UI.
> >
>
> Isn't the same basically true of Wiki articles? I understand the desire to
> keep things tidy, okay. But what would be the big deal about having ten or
> even a hundred thousand abandoned repositories, so long as they are hidden,
> and do not clutter the UI? The repositories that would be candidates for
> deletion are the ones that got no further than an initial stab, and those
> measure in kilobytes.
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