To suggestion 2: It makes no difference at all for the discspace if a file gets deleted or not. Since you are always able to restore it it will stay on the server.
Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. Huib On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:36 AM, George Herbert <[email protected]>wrote: > I have just had to deal with this - AGAIN - and would like to rail for a > moment, hoping to provoke discussion to promote change. I posit that this > is big enough to deserve a Foundation-wide venue for initial discussion so > am including Wikitech-L. > > Most of us are probably familiar with the cycle: > > Person A on en.wp (or, any project) uploads an image which is apparently > public domain or free use by any reasonable standard. It gets put on > article X. There is much rejoicing. > > Person B later thinks "Oh, this is something other projects might use, and > it's 'free', so..." and uploads it to Commons. It then gets deleted at > en.wp by a helpful bot. > > Person C on Commons later identifies that it fails to be an entirely free > piece under the much-stricter Commons rules, due to some factor that A and > B were unaware of. Person C nominates it for deletion there. Poof. Gone. > > Now, we have NO image, for something that is sufficiently legal under our > rules and the law for use on en.wp (and likely, most of the rest of the > projects). A delinker bot helpfully comes along and nukes references to > the image off the pages that used to have it. Maintainers who miss the bot > edit fail to notice that it's gone. Many months or years go along and > finally someone notices, and either is an admin and restores the image on > en.wp or finds an admin who restores it on en.wp. > > > Now, for someone who sees images as an integral part of the total > READERSHIP value we present, in terms of helping people understand things > by drawing their attention and expressing ideas and history in a visual > manner, the long periods where we've lost all image are mind-numbingly > counter to our core mission. That we've evolved into this cycle due to > bureaucratic friction does not make it acceptable. > > > PROPOSED: This is not acceptable. Something must be done. > > SUGGESTED FIX #1: Create a parallel "Uncommons" project, for shared images > which meet minimum project legal non-copyvio standards but do not meet the > threshold Commons is insisting on (or we have defined Commons to be). This > requires coding in the WMF to allow a parallel project as image source, and > would require that Commons' deletion process be modified such that > deletions for copyright niggles be a shift-to-Uncommons rather than an > outright delete. > > SUGGESTED FIX #2: Stop deleting things from local projects when they're > uploaded to commons. This requires additional diskspace from the > Foundation (by some as-yet unknown amount). Ops team - Could you attempt > to determine if this would be significant, troublesome, small enough to not > be significant, etc? > > > These are not the only two possible solutions, but they come to mind > immediately (and have previously when I thought of this). Additional fix > concepts solicited and welcomed. > > > -- > -george william herbert > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
