On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, "Jon Robson" <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they > can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored > in the database.
To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be done with content handler (as with all things there are pros and cons to such an approach). > We'll also hoping to support the filtering of > collections via tags which becomes much easier if stored in a > database. "Tags" is another jargon quaigmire in mw land.... Anyways no particular reason why stuff can't be canonically on a wikipage and extracted to db tables (in a similar fashion to link tables). Doing that gives you history, reverting, oversight, collaborative editing, talk pages, etc for free. (But of course im sure that has its own drawbacks) [Also its important to keep in mind: it is easy to wax poetic on the mailing list about how something ought to be done, much harder to actually do it. So take my comment with the salt appropriate of somebody who hasn't implemented anything nor has any plans to] > A watchlist is not a wikipage, so that in my eyes sets a > precedent. Its also unequivocally private. I think a lot of the conflict here comes from the dual nature of gather as public/private. I think a closer precedent would be abuse filters, but the system for editing such things is probably much less popular than watchlists. > We have plenty of options to surface edits to collections as items in > the recent changes if necessary. > It would be most helpful to articulate what the problems are, rather > than say "wikipages are the solution!" This might prove to be true but > without understanding the inadequacies of the current approach we > won't be able to pass that judgement.. so please test and provide that > feedback and we'll find the right solutions. I think the problem is one of integration. People want anything publically editable to be consistent. Earlier in this thread TheDJ made a comparison to building an office tower with duct tape. Well he has a fair point about hacky solutions, to extend the metaphor, nobody wants an office tower built of fifty different materials either, they want a unified building that looks integrated and consistent. Using wiki pages gives integration with all current site features and any future site feautres which don't exist yet, for free. > > Thanks for your feedback thus far. > I appreciate that you are taking the feedback in stride. Some of it has been quite harsh, and if it was me, I would probably be pretty defensive at this point. --bawolff > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I hope no 60 storey building is in the making. The bazaar is horizontal, a > > vertical suk is too similar to a cathedral. > > > > Nemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
