About the original topic of this thread, thank you Chris for the note about this survey. I was hesitating about forwarding the email to this list and/or feature the link in the Developer Relations Weekly Summary, and you moved faster. :)
A technical theme for IEG would be useful to channel efforts in a certain direction. I just wonder how much we can reuse / complement the ongoing Technical Wishlist survey that Community Tech is running as we speak. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Community_Wishlist_Survey_description I mean, once the results of the survey are public, there might be a theme or more that can be extracted, and these themes could inspire IEG grants focus, hackathons' focus, GSoC/Outreachy focus... Acquiring a bigger mass thanks to these orchestrated actions could also help influencing the WMF/WMDE developer teams backlogs, prioritizing their work on potential dependencies, code review, mentoring... Do you see the puzzle pieces and how they could be theoretically assembled? :) On the collateral topic of where to publish project concepts... it's complicated. I think this deserves its own discussion in the context of the WMF product development process in the drafts. I have created a topic at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Su5sgwsd967s1nya. There are other ongoing discussions related to the first steps of proposals and experiments willing to be prioritized, and so far all of them are referenced at the related task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115659. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > As a long-time phabricator user (and long-time community member) I > really don't get the desire to push this to Phabricator. This is not > to say it is bad: it is good at what it is designed to do (handling > technical tasks in an all-encompassing sorta way). But lately it feels > like every conversation about a process involves debating whether that > too goes to Phabricator - in this case, a non-technical process. > > Funded IdeaLab projects /that are technical/ ending up on Phabricator > sounds great: treat it as we would any other code. But the > consultations and discussions themselves are very deliberately > oriented towards our community - because IdeaLab projects are - a > community that tends not to have Phabricator accounts, not to have > experience using the system, and tends to conduct discussion in a much > more prose-based and conversational style than Phabricator easily > supports: it's designed for bug-tracking, not 100-comment threads. > MediaWiki, however, is designed (for a given value of "designed" ;p) > for those sorts of discussions, and additionally is software that > literally everyone people reach out to about the IdeaLab is likely to > be somewhat familiar with. > > So I'd rather we kept the discussions there - in a venue that is > already used, for an audience that is familiar with that venue - than > shift them over to a project that isn't designed for these kinds of > interactions and doesn't offer familiarity to the users the IdeaLab > tries to reach. Phabricator should be for transparency and process > when a project with technical components is funded. > > On 8 December 2015 at 01:14, Rob Lanphier <ro...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >> I wonder if we can use Phabricator as an incubator for IdeaLab proposals? >> We already have the #possible-tech-projects tag in Phabricator [1], which >> seems like a sensible place to discuss the ideas amongst the people who >> have ideas in this area. >> >> I know there is some cynicism about the upcoming Wikimedia Developer Summit >> in January, because it seems like a great opportunity to talk about what we >> want, but then not have a strategy for getting it done. That seems >> justified, since "resourcing" seems a constant refrain in these >> conversations. Would anyone from IdeaLab be available to be at WikiDev >> '16, looking out for appropriate opportunities to get from ideas to >> IdeaLab(tm) grant proposals? >> >> Rob >> >> [1] The board: < >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/> and the >> description: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1042/> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Schilling <cschill...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I've recently initiated a consultation to help decide on topics for IdeaLab >>> campaigns for the future, and I'm very interested in your input on what >>> technical issues, gaps, or general features we could consider focusing our >>> attention upon. These campaigns can generate novel proposals for tools and >>> improvements to address needs in the Wikimedia projects to which you >>> contribute: >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Future_IdeaLab_Campaigns> >>> >>> You can offer feedback and add your own campaign topics through a survey >>> conducted through AllOurIdeas < >>> http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns> >>> in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page. >>> >>> I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential >>> directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns starting next year. >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Jethro >>> >>> -- >>> Chris "Jethro" Schilling >>> I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> >>> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation >>> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
