On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The devs is not the primary user group, and they never will be. An > editor is a primary user, and (s)he has no idea where the letters > travels or how they are stored. A reader is a primary user, and > likewise (s)he has no idea how the letters emerge on the screen. The devs are just one of several in a stakeholder group, and focusing > solely on whatever ickyness they feel is like building a house by > starting calling the plumber. > Nobody claimed they were. In fact, everyone said the opposite. I think you're just misunderstanding the definitions of the words being used(?) > > > Sales dept usually dont advocate for bug fixing as that doesnt sell > > products, new features do, so i dont know why you are bringing them up. > > They also dont usually deal with technical debt in the same way somebody > > who has never been to your house cant give you effective advice on how to > > clean it. > > A sales dep is in contact with the customer, which is a primary user > of the product. If you don't like using the sales department, then say > you have a support desk that don't report bugs. Without anyone > reporting the bugs the product is dead. > > Actually this is the decade old fight over "who owns the product". The > only solution is to create a real stakeholder group. > > > That said, fundamentally you want user priorities (or at least *your* > > priorities. Its unclear if your priorities reflect the user base at > large) > > to be taken into consideration when deciding developer priorities? Well > > step 1 is to define what you want. The wmf obviously tries to figure out > > what is important to users, and its pretty obvious in your view they are > > failing. Saying people are working on the wrong thing without saying what > > they should work on instead is a self-fulfiling prophecy. > > Not going to answer this, it is an implicit blame game > Well lets make it explicit - If you want change, but refuse to say what change (whether that be structural or whether that be specific bugs you want fixed) then it is 100% your fault that the change doesn't happen. Complaining people/orgs won't change but not saying how you want people to change is just a waste of everyone's time. Developers are people not telepaths. -- Brian _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
